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17 Jul 2009, 12:35 pm

Life is eternal struggle between life-forms. Some life-forms establish superior position while others become placed in inferior position.

It is better to be superior than inferior.

Who is inferior and superior is dictated by ruthlessness and cruelty. German, British, American empires were established through genocide of indigenous civilisations.

Neurotypicals think like that. For them, everything is about what group thinks. Aspies see individuals. Neurotypicals see groups and their position within groups.

We are not part of their group. Hence we are alien organism which must be wiped out, or enslaved and patronised by them.

They like Aspies as long as Aspies are obedient and grateful for being accepted.



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17 Jul 2009, 12:57 pm

Don't you get cognitive dissonance when you write about how all neurotypicals are exactly the same and only Aspies see individuals? :wink:



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17 Jul 2009, 1:03 pm

Janissy wrote:
Don't you get cognitive dissonance when you write about how all neurotypicals are exactly the same and only Aspies see individuals? :wink:


All NT's are not same, but they see world in groups. They tend to see and act as collective.

Smallest unit in NT worldview is generally family.



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17 Jul 2009, 1:20 pm

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17 Jul 2009, 2:12 pm

Zyborg wrote:
Janissy wrote:
Don't you get cognitive dissonance when you write about how all neurotypicals are exactly the same and only Aspies see individuals? :wink:


All NT's are not same, but they see world in groups. They tend to see and act as collective.

Smallest unit in NT worldview is generally family.


Bwahhaha. Come visit the U.S., land of staunch individualists. Maybe you are posting from a country where the family overrides the iundividual. I assure you, in the U.S., the individual is the smallest unit. We've caught a lot of flak for that from other countries- too individualistic, not family oriented enough. Location, location,location.



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17 Jul 2009, 4:37 pm

Janissy wrote:
Zyborg wrote:
Janissy wrote:
Don't you get cognitive dissonance when you write about how all neurotypicals are exactly the same and only Aspies see individuals? :wink:


All NT's are not same, but they see world in groups. They tend to see and act as collective.

Smallest unit in NT worldview is generally family.


Bwahhaha. Come visit the U.S., land of staunch individualists. Maybe you are posting from a country where the family overrides the iundividual. I assure you, in the U.S., the individual is the smallest unit. We've caught a lot of flak for that from other countries- too individualistic, not family oriented enough. Location, location,location.

Zyborg is from Russia, surprisingly enough. :wink:


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17 Jul 2009, 6:07 pm

Zyborg wrote:
They like Aspies as long as Aspies are obedient and grateful for being accepted.


Hate to tell you this, but NT's look at their own that way as well.

There are castes of civilization. Those born to the upper levels believe they are inherently better than all the others. So long as the lower ranks can be effectively controlled and utilized, they have value.

The minute they think the underclasses are a threat, they wouldn't hesitate to engineer something to wipe as many out as they can to preserve their status in the world.



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17 Jul 2009, 6:55 pm

Henriksson wrote:
Janissy wrote:
Zyborg wrote:
Janissy wrote:
Don't you get cognitive dissonance when you write about how all neurotypicals are exactly the same and only Aspies see individuals? :wink:


All NT's are not same, but they see world in groups. They tend to see and act as collective.

Smallest unit in NT worldview is generally family.


Bwahhaha. Come visit the U.S., land of staunch individualists. Maybe you are posting from a country where the family overrides the iundividual. I assure you, in the U.S., the individual is the smallest unit. We've caught a lot of flak for that from other countries- too individualistic, not family oriented enough. Location, location,location.

Zyborg is from Russia, surprisingly enough. :wink:


No. I am of Serb origin, living in Sweden.

When you have children, authorities will take your children from you because you are Aspie.



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17 Jul 2009, 7:00 pm

Zyborg wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Zyborg is from Russia, surprisingly enough. :wink:


No. I am of Serb origin, living in Sweden.

Oh, other posters perhaps shouldn't take all the BS I spout seriously, but I could've sworn you said you were from Russia... >.<

My humble apologies. :cry:


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17 Jul 2009, 7:08 pm

How are we, universally, not a part of their group? After all, among aspies there are individuals who have been rewarded as elites in NT society. One that very quickly comes to mind is Nobel Laureate Vernon L Smith, an economist. He has one of the highest awards in economics, and thus is clearly high ranking in a grouping that is likely dominated by NTs(they outnumber us in most things and this likely even includes academic economics) as such, how can it be universally said that we are excluded from them or even accepted as beneath them?

If aspies can be accepted in NT society as equal to or superior than a number of NTs then doesn't the argument for secession utterly break down? I think it does given that your own position seems to require active antipathy between parties, and from what I see, aspies can be accepted in NT society as equal to or superior than a number of NTs without antipathy, even though we may have some disadvantages in this due to differences. As such, I would think that a better model for NT-AS relations is one of differentness and integration issues as a result of this, but not to an extent and lacking an AS group active and large enough or a landmass colonizable enough that a separation movement would be beneficial.(even assuming that AS people integrate as well amongst each other as NTs do, an assumption I have no evidence on)