Jesus holds a Town Hall meeting

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Jesus had a little sit-down with his disciples. It was story time.


"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left."

"Hah! Good place for the goats, on the left!" said Judas. The other disciples told him to shut up.

"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me."

Judas nudged the disciple next to him. "Right, like a king would ever be hungry, sick or naked. They have PEOPLE to do that FOR them." The disciple ignored him as Jesus continued.

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'"

Judas stood up and raised his hand. "Whoa there, Jesus. Hold on a second. Who's supposed to PAY for all this food and drink and clothing and medicine? US?"

The other disciples tugged at Judas' robe and told him to sit down. "OK, maybe he'll get to that later," Judas said. "I mean, this GUY and his STORIES!"

Jesus continued.

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'"

"Swell, here it comes," Judas muttered. "The old liberal guilt trip..."

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Judas jumped to his feet. "What a bunch of socialist CRAP! You want US to give OUR money, OUR food, OUR clothes to these SLACKERS? You want US to pay for HEALTH CARE for people who are obviously too LAZY to get a job like GROWNUPS and pay for their OWN health care?"

The other disciples tried to shush him, but Judas continued.

"I mean, JESUS! Do you realize how HARD we have to work for every shekel and drachma?" He pulled a 20-shekel note from his pocket and waved it at Jesus. "Here, Jesus! You wanna come steal my hard earned money? COME TAKE IT! If these "brothers" of yours -- wink, wink -- had an ounce of GUMPTION or WORK ethic, they'd HAVE their own food, their own drink, their own clothes, their own health care, and they for DAMN sure wouldn't be in PRISON in the FIRST place..."

Jesus held up his hand to silence the uproar and repeated.

"I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'"

"Socialist, Communist, Fascist BS," Judas said. "You keep preaching that kind of stuff and watch what happens. Now if you don't mind, there are some folks I gotta see about a job that will pay 30 pieces of silver -- in ACTUAL MONEY that I will EARN! Later, 'Comrades.'"

Judas stalked away towards the high priest's residence.

Jesus wept.


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So you're saying Obama = Jesus?

What is even the point of this?

That is an interesting story Sinsboldly. I had a little trouble with the link so I'm not sure who wrote it but that is irrelevant, he didn't post it on this forum. Do you have a point to make? I never comment on topics until the OP does.

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I thought the story was an interesting point. No, I don't think that Jesus = Obama, I think Jesus is Jesus, talking about the basics of Christianity. I think the heckler sounded a lot like someone that was not clear on the concept of the teaching.

that you do it because it needs to be done

I thought the author of the story was not clear on the concept of the teaching, the character of Judas seemed to understand it quite well; which is why I wanted a comment from you.

oh. well, that is my comment and perhaps the crux of my arguement. I just don't see the character of Judas's point of view. Having everyone living on the earth helping each other to have a good life is just as valid an opinion as any other, I suppose. I didn't think of defending what I consider a no brainer, but thank you for pointing out that others might have another view of the same story.

I didn't say I agreed with the character of Judas's point of view, I said he understood what Jesus was saying.

The problem word here is everyone. The author seemed to be arguing for collective activity, however Jesus will judge us as individuals.

I hope you are not planning on saying to him "I did see you hungry and feed you, naked and clothe you, sick and care for you. I paid taxes."

and I suppose his reply would be 'you rendered unto Ceasar, what did you render to G-d'.

But I don't want you to think I am a Christian or a Christianist simply because I refer to what Jesus supposedly said. I am not, I just am looking at the parable like the guy that wrote it did. I don't have a problem with the link, though, sorry you are.

So you agree with the author of the parable, as you call it, but think that the story it was based on is also fiction; do I have that right?

If so, what's that worth?

Haha, that's brilliant!

it is worth the idea. If I were going to make a religion, I would cause the deepest radicalization I could about the nature of humanity. I mean, how cool is that? I don't find the legitimacy of who said what or if they were historically actual to be more than passing archaeological interest. It's the idea that has legs.

I would do it because it was the right thing to do, not because I was coerced into guilt by not loving G-D, though.

If you are arguing that fiction can be valuable in making political and philosophical points, I would agree provided that the reader is willing and able to suspend disbelief; but as for the notion of inventing (or using) a religion in order to promote a political agenda, I don't think that is very cool at all.

Forgive me for being too lazy to look it up at the moment, but I recall a quote to the effect of "If you can not love your brother whom you can see, how can you love your Father in Heaven whom you can not see?"

Very interesting Sinsboldy, I see atleast four points worth considering:
1. Jesus tells the people that if they give a little now, they'd get rewarded later. Judas sees only the loss at the moment completly ignoring the long term gain.
2. How many people would be in jail in the first place if they had enough to get by...
3. Jesus and Judas are very similar in one aspect, they both judge all people based upon one point of view. It's just that their views are the opposite.
4. What side do you think Judas would be on, right or left?

That depends on which Judas you are talking about. The character is this story written by some unnamed author that Sinsboldly coppied from another site for us, or the character in the four more famous ones that he based his on. The character in this story would be on the right because he didn't want to give to the poor, but the one in say John's story would be on the left because was the Church's treasurer and he was taking a cut of what other people were donating.

well, to be fair, there was no 'Church treasurer' at that time, and there still had been no Feuillants nor Montagnerds to define who was toadying up to the king and who was not. The ideas of Jesus was a revolutionary by any standards, even today, and still causing havoc even among people that call themselves followers of Christ.

Even social Darwinism makes concessions for those who are disenfranchised by the free market capitalism of the haves and the have nots. So do the teachings of Jesus.