Religions and their respective bubbles of delusion

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuw1wEuaAQ[/youtube]

If you are religious, bear with the first half minute of the video. It seems harsh that you're being called delusional, but the key to this accusation lies in the definition of the word, as the video will tell you: Delusion; holding a set of fixed, false beliefs that are resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. The video deals a bit with how when you're looking at the world from outside your own religious bubble, you are completely rational, because Muhammed is the prophet of Allah and you're right no matter what, but the people outside see your beliefs as complete irrational and implausible because obviously Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah and there will be no more prophets until doomsday. On the side, another group is laughing at both sides, because obviously, Hubbard had it right and there is no debating that body thetans are affecting both these both these groups and they just need to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to Scientology for some auditing, some courses, and everything will be fine.


Every single side believes that the other is wrong when they themselves are delusional. It's pretty much just basic psychology - To the crazy person, everyone else is crazy. Now get another crazy person to look at that guy and he'll think "wow what a nutjob.", unwilling to look at his own flaws by the same standards he judges those of others. That's the point of the video.

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Wow.

A website full of angry and bitter people who actually misstate facts to promote their point of view.

FYI...

Jesus of Nazareth was a real person and did the things he did. History bears this as true via independent records whereas you can't say the same about Islam and Mormonism.

Likewise, there have been many respected studies about faith, prayer and medical healing and they have found a connection. There is debate about whether it is a supernatural matter or just a matter of mind-body dualism.

Whether Jesus existed or not, (I am not convinced), that he floated off on a cloud to heaven after he was executed requires more subjugation of rationality than I can muster.

See http://chem.tufts.edu/tufts-ssa/PrayerHealing.html

The records are specious at best and more often than not, is a case of seeing what you want to see from the material. Just like the Shroud of Turin (which is actually a fake).



Find me one credible site where the study isn't corrupted by expected results.

Here's a good one that debunks your healing hands garbage:

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/tt2.htm

Magic waving of hands does nothing more than a placebo effect at most.

The assertion of Jesus' historical reality can be found only in the Gospels.

There is no reason not to think that this a just a story.

ruveyn

I love how everyone thinks that Jesus was a unique name.

http://www.slate.com/id/2207398/

Just because there's a document somewhere that has a Jesus on it doesn't mean that it was your myth.

I was referring to Joshua (y'hoshua) the son of Joseph the Carpenter who lived in Bethlehem. The one who was the son of Miriam the wife of Joseph the Carpenter.

Y'hosuah is and was a fairly common Hebrew or Aramaic name. It is rendered as Joshua in English.

ruveyn

The 11 men who worked with Jesus personally wouldn't choose to face torture and execution for a lie. Of those 11 only one survived after being horribly disfigured by torture. Not one renounced what they believed.

Must have been one heck of a delusion.

The story of the apostles is also just a story. There is no factual data pertaining to these people who supposedly existed.

And the Gospel stories about these folks were assemble a published no sooner than a generation after they died. We have no reliable factual evidence, for example, that the epistles of Paul, were actually written and due to one man, Paul. it is all a bunch a stories which can be believed or denied.

Likewise the Hebrew Scripture, the TNKH (better known to the goyim as the Old Testament) are equally fanciful.

Bob Kolker

Actually it's fairly well-known that, at least, the gospels were written by a collection of writers supposedly from the teachings of each of the named apostles/disciples. The earliest documented piece of new scripture, if I remember correctly from theology class (Jesuit High Schooling ftw!) is around 90AD. Before that, it was oral tradition and performed by a number of disciples.

I deleted the video. The direct language calling every person holding faith dellusional, and saying that no rational person could believe any of it, is offensive to, well, most of our population.

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This video speaks directly to the listener and tells them, if they are a believer in any one of 3 religions, that they are idiots. And not only idiots, but doing horrible things to our planet. It isn't a discussion of the validity of religion, it is absolutely certain of its viewpoint, and intends to smear as dellusional anyone who differs. That violates WP rules.

^^^ SERIOUSLY?

Of course the religious are delusional! But if they want to believe that ignorant nonsense I say let them. (As long as they keep that mindless drivel way the hell away from me.) Religion is what's keeping most of the population in check anyway. They aren't killing and looting and pillaging, not because it would be wrong and immoral, but because they are afraid of going to hell. That's fine by me. Whatever works.

Here's someone being censured for telling an inconvenient truth!! ! Yes something like 90% of population are religious, but that doesn't make them right. This group of all groups should be able to recognize a socially accepted custom. People believe in this nonsense because other people believe in this nonsense.

To zer0netgain: OMG how naive you are with your "proofs". And to think that you believe that your particular religion has all the answers, and all the hundreds of others are wrong? That is the definition of utter ignorance.

I always miss all the hub bub.

OK I'll play, show us your evidence for such fantastic claims.

With regard to the strawman that 11 people kept their loyalty to Jesus therefore he must have been the son of god, history is repleat with delusional cults where a charismatic leader holds a group of people under their control. Just to name three recent ones

Heavens gate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29

David Koresh and the Branch Davidians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh

Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple Agricultural Project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

All off the above had supporters and acolytes who were killed, committed murder, or suicided, because they believed the delusional rantings of their leaders, so your belief that the actions of his disciples proves the claim that jesus was the son of god is on rather shaky ground.

And to censor him because he holds an opinion other than your own is equally offensive. Not to mention shows a weakness of will and mind on your part. That's beyond unacceptable and you should pray to your god(s) to show more understanding and to judge less and MODERATE more. Lead by example.

It's obvious from the video that religious belief is not rational, despite its popularity. People accept religion on an emotional basis because it promises what a good many people want which is some sort of existence after death. There is no evidence at all to indicate people will continue to exist after death and, strangely, in another thread, many opinions have been expressed rejecting that eternal life on the basis of it not being desirable. The total rejection of the rational approach to religion is necessary to these people who refuse to accept the reality of a limited existence. Don't expect a balanced approach to the considerations of other possibilities.

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