Salman Rushdie knighted, muslims threaten violence

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I am not muslim, but In my opinion, it was Rushdie's own fault that he is facing death threats, as he was brought up a muslim, he knew that this kind of thing would happen if he insulted islam if he does get assasinated, it would be his own blame not the muslims (Careless talk costs lives!!). as a Jew, I would not even dare to Insult Islam or certain parts of Christianity as there is a risk of becoming a victim of anti-semitism.

You are saying Rushdie should expect death because he has exercised his natural right to think his own thoughts. Has it occurred to you the fault is not with Rushdie, but with Islam? Apparently not.

Islam is an evil demonic religion and one of the most devilish concoctions of bad memes and wretched principles ever composed by humans.

Whenever a suicide bomb or an I.E.D. explodes there is at .99 probability that a Muslim pushed the detonator or set the bomb. That is what Islam iks about. Death and Jihad. That is why Muslim males wrap their genitals in pure white cloth before killing themselves and others so that they can be ready for their 72 dark eyed houris in Paradise.

ruveyn

So what? Is that a death penalty offense? Having a contrary opinion and expressing it requires death? What kind of insanity would advocate that? It is neither understandable nor forgivable that devout Muslims feel that way. The fact that devout Muslims do feel that way is further proof of how evil their religion is.

ruveyn

If the Islamic perception of Rushdie is even remotely equivalent to the Western view of Hitler, they have a seriously f**ked-up way of viewing the world.

Anyways, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Islamic "civilization" (if you can call it that) is inferior to the Western world. The sad irony is that the values of tolerance and respect that make the West as great as we are also mandate that we give these animals the freedom to practice and advocate their beliefs, despite their own intolerance, bigotry, violence, and authoritarianism.

What madness do you speak? Should we all be silenced for fear of these cowards and their bombs? Should the entire world surrender the freedoms we fought for centuries to obtain and preserve merely because of the threats of criminals and savages? No, of course not. If they threaten us, we should kill them.

Is the victim to blame for any crime? You seem like the type who would say a rape victim deserved it because of being dressed "provocatively." You have a right to free expression, and should never let fear of extremist bigots detract from that right. Defend your liberty! My ancestors fought and died to secure freedoms for me, and I will not so easily relinquish them.

At first Rushdie is a Subject of Her British Majesty. So he is subject to British law and this law does not know a term like "insult to Islam". If anyone thinks that he is insulted, there is an address to file such claims:

High Court
Royal Courts of Justice
Chancellery
Strand
London
WC2A 2LL
UK

What about killing some religious leaders: I found the treatment of homosexuals in Islamic countries much more insulting than any book written by Salman Rushdie. If they - and others - claim national sovereignty than they have to accept the laws as they are in the west. If they suggest that this sovereignty does not exist in matters of ideology and religion than we had to bomb Tehran or Mecca when they try to hang the next homosexual.

I agree absolutely that anyone should have the right to evaluate and criticize anything and be verbally refuted if that can be done. But killing people merely leads to further killing. Christians have indicated that for centuries although they have not acted that way.The way to fight Islamic extremism is by convincing Islam as well as any other faith that freedom of expression cannot, should not, must not be confronted with death threats but by counter-arguments and demonstrations that faith leads to understanding and basic decency. I don't know how this can be managed but it must be done for the survival of society.

You cannot reason with madmen. The only thing these people understand is violence.

That said, I'm not in favor of leading a counter-jihad against them. I just say that if they initiate violence towards us, they will forfeit their lives. Same with anyone who goes around trying to blow people up. If they can find a way to live peacefully, so much the better. But if they will have war, then war they shall get.

You must reason with madmen as there is no one else. I don't know how it can be done but it must be done.

I'm willing to try. But if reasoning with them fails, I still want to reserve the option of killing off people who would gladly do the same to me and to my family, friends, and compatriots.

QFT... I always know I have something good to look forward to when I see your avatar on WP, Orwell. Keep it up.

I am of the opinion that, for any set of circumstances in which a liberal society is capable of self-sustaining, a liberal society is preferable to a restrictive society. This should be self obviating.

Liberal societies promote dissent (which limits extremism and its spawn), promote unforeseen development (technological, cultural, political, etc evolution), are heterogeneous (homogeneous populations react poorly to environmental change), and are generally accepting of its members (prevents most dystopian cultures, and increases standard of living).

Naturally liberal societies have disadvantages as well, and some of their advantages can be harmful when taken to the extreme.

Restrictive societies are useful for creating short term forceful responses to immediate threats (see: post 9/11 flag waving) but have unalienable toxic long term facets that usually result in the collapse of the society - either through violence, moral/economic decay, or less obvious means.

In semi-rare cases an unbalancing factor can result in stagnant, poly-generational restrictive societies. They become a breeding ground of the sort of madness we see in the Middle East. They are resistant to change, because when a population is threatened with the unfamiliar (immigration, war, regime change) they cling to the past. If all the past has to offer them is a pattern of self-defeating violence, then many more people will unwittingly decide to repeat their ancestors mistakes instead of inventing more progressive solutions to the underlying problems.

This is, of course, the ironic specialty of a truly liberal society.

While I have no illusions of America being a truly liberal society, but to me it is obvious exactly what the Middle East (as a whole!) is. Its even clear, to a point, what can be done about it.

We must give them a new history. They need to have something to cling to as a population that isn't genocide-oriented (this including religion & geopolitics). This will take generations. This can not be successful and associated with the memory of an invasion.

... though mindless consumerism does have an interesting, pervasive, and even virulent effect on societies previously uninitiated to Capitalism.

Disclaimer: I am an American. My family is Christian. I am a Taoist.

Muslims have protected us jews for centuries from such anti semitic persecutions as the Spanish Inquisition, i am really greatful for the protection from the Muslims in the past.

The tolerance of medieval Muslims has been exaggerated a fair bit. Not to say they weren't better than their Christian contemporaries, because they were, but is that really saying much?

And that tolerance did not last for long. Muslim intellectual development came to a halt around the 13th century c.e. Jews in the last seven hundred years have not had better than dhimmi status in the Islamic domains. That means Jews were tolerated (sometimes) and had no rights (anytime).

Which is just what Jews had in medieval Europe until the time of Napoleon. Napoleon ordained that Jews would be governed by the same laws as everyone else and not treated as a separate nationality within the state.

ruveyn

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If I ran a British TV channel, I would celebrate the Rushdie knighthood by airing the epic Pakistani picture "International Guerrillas"...