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30 Sep 2009, 2:19 am

What is your attitude to Judaism and Christianity? Are you Jew or Christian? Were your ancestors Jews or Christians?



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30 Sep 2009, 4:51 am

Not sure where you are coming from, but I'll bite.

My Wife is jewish, and my family generally considers itself Christian.

As for myself, I am most certainly an Atheist. My own research, knowledge along with an inability to understand faith brings me to this.

Both religions are derived from Astrological/pagan beginnings, then to Egyption/greek mythology, and finally morphing into the Judeo Christian faiths we know today (including Islam). I just can't take it all too seriously, especially once I found out that the story of Christ is one of the most oft repeated mythological stories in mans history (funny how a major figure in many of the worlds belief systems all share the same story line ie virgin birth, executed, risen from dead after 3 days etc etc). Each to their own, but thats my attitude.



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30 Sep 2009, 5:05 am

Jaythefordman wrote:
Not sure where you are coming from, but I'll bite.

My Wife is jewish, and my family generally considers itself Christian.

As for myself, I am most certainly an Atheist. My own research, knowledge along with an inability to understand faith brings me to this.

Both religions are derived from Astrological/pagan beginnings, then to Egyption/greek mythology, and finally morphing into the Judeo Christian faiths we know today (including Islam). I just can't take it all too seriously, especially once I found out that the story of Christ is one of the most oft repeated mythological stories in mans history (funny how a major figure in many of the worlds belief systems all share the same story line ie virgin birth, executed, risen from dead after 3 days etc etc). Each to their own, but thats my attitude.

Quoted For Truth.

I think of Christians, Jews and Muslims in the same way I think of people who believe in Atlantis. It's OK if they don't force those beliefs upon others.


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30 Sep 2009, 5:18 am

I am a Christian and have a sunny attitude toward all faiths, as well as agnostics and atheists.


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30 Sep 2009, 5:30 am

Marinovsky wrote:
What is your attitude to Judaism and Christianity?


Both have too many sects or denominations within to make a blanket statement covering all, yet I would say Judaism is closer to Scripture than is Christianity.

Marinovsky wrote:
Are you Jew or Christian?


I was raised within Christianity, but now I am trying to live in observance of Torah outside of any sectarian religion.

Marinovsky wrote:
Were your ancestors Jews or Christians?


I suspect there is Hebrew in my maternal ancestry.


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30 Sep 2009, 7:32 am

I'm a Christian, albeit not a very good one...;)



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30 Sep 2009, 7:40 am

I buy into the ethical aspects of Judaism. Judaism emphasizes how to live in this world at peace with one's neighbors than it it does with the (so-called) world to come and supernatural matters. There is very little theology (as such) in Judaism although some parts of Judaism lend themselves to mysticism (e.g. Kabala).

The Talmud is loaded with practical advice on how to survive adversity. That is why there are Jews after 3200 years despite many attempts to kill us off. Practicality works.

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30 Sep 2009, 9:04 am

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I buy into the ethical aspects of Judaism. Judaism emphasizes how to live in this world at peace with one's neighbors than it it does with the (so-called) world to come and supernatural matters. There is very little theology (as such) in Judaism although some parts of Judaism lend themselves to mysticism (e.g. Kabala).

The Talmud is loaded with practical advice on how to survive adversity. That is why there are Jews after 3200 years despite many attempts to kill us off. Practicality works.

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30 Sep 2009, 10:33 am

Henriksson wrote:
Quoted For Truth.

I think of Christians, Jews and Muslims in the same way I think of people who believe in Atlantis. It's OK if they don't force those beliefs upon others.


There is a wide cultural variation between Jews and Gentiles. I will tell you a little story to illustrate the point. Shortly after Israel declared itself a State and was recognized by most of the nations of the world, President Hyam Weitzman of Israel visited with President Truman of the U.S. Weitzman asked Truman if he know the main difference between Israel and the U.S. Truman asked what is the difference. Weitzman replied: In America you (Truman) are the President of 150,000,000 Americans. In Israel I (Weitzman) am the President of 4,000,000 Presidents.

Getting Jews to unite on an issue is somewhat like herding squirrels.

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30 Sep 2009, 11:26 am

ruveyn wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Quoted For Truth.

I think of Christians, Jews and Muslims in the same way I think of people who believe in Atlantis. It's OK if they don't force those beliefs upon others.


There is a wide cultural variation between Jews and Gentiles. I will tell you a little story to illustrate the point. Shortly after Israel declared itself a State and was recognized by most of the nations of the world, President Hyam Weitzman of Israel visited with President Truman of the U.S. Weitzman asked Truman if he know the main difference between Israel and the U.S. Truman asked what is the difference. Weitzman replied: In America you (Truman) are the President of 150,000,000 Americans. In Israel I (Weitzman) am the President of 4,000,000 Presidents.

Getting Jews to unite on an issue is somewhat like herding squirrels.

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There are also over 30 000 Christian denominations. Religions tend to 'split' given enough time, much like languages.


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30 Sep 2009, 1:39 pm

I am a Christian. For me, Christianity answers the questions about the meaning of life better than atheism, agnosticism, pantheism, or polytheism.


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30 Sep 2009, 5:52 pm

I am christian, although i know that there is no way to prove that there even is a God, especially not in this life. What it all boils down to for me is faith in the unknown.



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30 Sep 2009, 6:10 pm

d-rockafeller wrote:
faith in the unknown.



But which unknown :!: :!: :!:


I mean there's unknowns proposed by physicists, too...and they have more of a clue of everything leading up to such a point.


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30 Sep 2009, 7:16 pm

Of course. I never said that they didn't. As for which unknown, I'd have to say God.

Honestly though, I'm really more of an agnostic (read: agnostic theist) than a full-blown, "I believe the bible should be taken literally" christian. If there's one thing that science does have that religion does not though, is proof. Proof that can be put into relevant facts rather than stories or fables that, frankly, are outdated, or are no longer relevant to today's world. Call it a "spiritual crisis" if you will, but even though i do not agree with, or take a position on, much of what the bible says (such as the world being created in 7 days), that book still contains valuable lessions that some, if not many people, still need to learn. As for science, we have come sooo far, but there is still so much more that we "could" learn that may enhance our understanding of those ultimate questions.



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30 Sep 2009, 8:19 pm

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Getting Jews to unite on an issue is somewhat like herding squirrels.


So I have heard, but they can still take a break from even a heated debate and enjoy a liesurely lunch together, eh?!

Somehow they observe and know only One is sovereign.

Christianity puts a son ahead of his father.


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30 Sep 2009, 9:13 pm

Jaythefordman wrote:
Not sure where you are coming from, but I'll bite.

My Wife is jewish, and my family generally considers itself Christian.

As for myself, I am most certainly an Atheist. My own research, knowledge along with an inability to understand faith brings me to this.

Both religions are derived from Astrological/pagan beginnings, then to Egyption/greek mythology, and finally morphing into the Judeo Christian faiths we know today (including Islam). I just can't take it all too seriously, especially once I found out that the story of Christ is one of the most oft repeated mythological stories in mans history (funny how a major figure in many of the worlds belief systems all share the same story line ie virgin birth, executed, risen from dead after 3 days etc etc). Each to their own, but thats my attitude.


I'm also a rationalist,and say that the origin for all of those stories most likely stemmed from the fact that for three days every year the sun "dies".Meaning that it does not alter it's path through the sky for those three days..Then after its "death" it rises into the heavens (or sky),being "reborn".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solstice

What is the bible to me?.."The greatest story ever told."...(So i wonder,in 2000 years,will people be worshipping Luke Skywalker? :roll: )

I say all of this after having been raised by devout believers..Yet i escaped the cult like structure due to my inability to take someone elses word for anything...You have to look for yourself!