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12 Oct 2009, 10:44 am

Why are women so irrational, subjective and hyper emotional?
Is it nature or nurture?
I say its nature.



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12 Oct 2009, 11:47 am

My guess is nurture.

Men (in many cultures and generations) are taught to repress their emotions and be "the strong one." We can be just as emotional as women, but we are conditioned to deny ourselves the freedom to experience and express those emotions.

Women also have some environments that not only tolerate irrational outbursts but even seem to encourage them (think Bridezilla) to behave that way.

If gender roles were reversed, I'd expect women to not be so emotional because their environment would be less tolerant of emotional expression.



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12 Oct 2009, 1:01 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
My guess is nurture.

Men (in many cultures and generations) are taught to repress their emotions and be "the strong one." We can be just as emotional as women, but we are conditioned to deny ourselves the freedom to experience and express those emotions.

Women also have some environments that not only tolerate irrational outbursts but even seem to encourage them (think Bridezilla) to behave that way.

If gender roles were reversed, I'd expect women to not be so emotional because their environment would be less tolerant of emotional expression.


I definitely agree with this (as far as an explanation for why irrational women are irrational, not saying by any means that all women are).


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12 Oct 2009, 1:02 pm

Fbthew wrote:
Why are women so irrational, subjective and hyper emotional?
Is it nature or nurture?
I say its nature.


I'd say that you have tried to state as a matter of fact an item that is no more than your opinion. I don't find women as a gender to be irrational, subjective, or hyper emotional. Simply because you may not always agree with the way women you know respond does not make it baseless. Perhaps the error in failing to bridge the gap is yours, not theirs.

Now, from a purely socialogical point of view, there are reasons that the way women tend to respond, and the way men tend to respond, has evolved differently. The roles of each gender have been different in history, the best ways to respond in each of those roles is different. Dealing with a young child is inherently different from fighting a war. And so on. That doesn't make the method of response of either gender better or worse, just more appropriate to certain situations than others.

Next time you want to discuss something like that, please try to do it without first generalizing and slandering half the population.


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12 Oct 2009, 1:10 pm

Wait, why is this in "Politics, philosophy, and religion"?


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12 Oct 2009, 1:15 pm

Has someone had a bad break-up recently?



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12 Oct 2009, 1:22 pm

If you really think about it, all emotions are irrational unless they serve as a tool for self preservation.

Why are males more aggressive and violent? Why do boys enjoy playing war games? Why is aggression a sign of strength? To me, aggressive behavior seems like an irrational emotion just as well as the type of irrational emotion which drives a bride to cry over rain on her wedding day.

Is aggressive behavior caused by nature or nurture? Nurture is for sissies? :lol:
Contempt for sissies is caused by irrational emotions. I'd say that big, strong, brothers who influence their little brothers to believe bad things about people are proving that the nurture factor is indeed at work.

Males and females are different, but thinking that the differences are somehow superior or inferior is only a matter of perception. To think that your beliefs are facts is delusional.


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12 Oct 2009, 1:34 pm

It's definitely more nature than nurture. Without the nature their would be no nurture if you know what I mean :?

Women are hardwired to act the way they do, the difference between men and women is in brain structure as well as body structure so it shouldn't surprise anyone when men don't understand the things they do.

Womens emotional nature has obviously been useful in the perpetuation of the species or it wouldn't still be around just like men's aggression etc.


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12 Oct 2009, 2:01 pm

Are you saying men aren't subjective or irrational?

Now that's a laugh.... :lol:


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12 Oct 2009, 2:37 pm

Image -< It is because they are not taught to control their emotions >



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12 Oct 2009, 2:56 pm

Feminists who accept that women think differently (a view I'm not saying is true) often argue that men are not more 'logical' in any sense that elevates logic as some special thing. Rather, feminists argue that the male sort of logic is the one we consider best because men have dominated intellectual discourse for so many years. However, female logic is equally valid and only not considered logic because of men have sexistly elevated their notion of logic as the one 'true' logic.

As someone who's deeply interested in philosophy and the nature of logic, I can certainly confirm that there is nothing 'true' about logic beyond it is merely the means that humans reason by. If it turns out women reason differently, then their means of doing logic is equally 'true' as mens.


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12 Oct 2009, 2:59 pm

Fbthew wrote:
Why are women so irrational, subjective and hyper emotional?
Is it nature or nurture?
I say its nature.

Why are guys who are whiny big babys always cry that the world around them isn't perfect like themselves?
Men are just as irrational subjective and hyper emotional as some women maybe even more so in some of the example I am hearing here today.
Rephrased for the the more delicate members :wink:



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12 Oct 2009, 3:13 pm

I know plenty of guys that are pretty "irrational, subjective, and hyper emotional" too.



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12 Oct 2009, 3:19 pm

What dw a mom 'forgot' to mention in her post that at the same time she sent me a 'moderator post' (so dw is a moderator!) in which she said she deleted one of my posts and she warned me 'not to generalize or provoke'. Pathetic!!



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12 Oct 2009, 3:26 pm

what??? irrational?? you're calling me irrational??! !

damn selfish male chauvinistic pig! aaargh!

*cries*

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12 Oct 2009, 3:33 pm

So thats a vote for 'nature' from this one.