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Master_Pedant
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03 Jan 2010, 1:17 am

Note on Terminology: I'm using "left" and "right" as relative, value judgement based, terms here. For most of the 20th Centrury, when the business community was more polarized towards one party, what passes for left today is nothing.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F6b5lmGfno&NR=1[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVINEgcnVz8&NR=1[/youtube]

This youtuber summarizes political economist Thomas Ferguson's "Investment Theory of Party Competition".

The main point is that the degree to which a business depends on actual labour is inversely proportional (in most cases) to the degree it is willing the support extensively labour and/or union rights. Businesses whose costs are affected by labour least (i.e. Hi-Tech industry, Financial capital) are the most willing to support a social democratic party.

Those least willing to support a leftish party are businesses in labour-intensive industries like manufacturing or resource extraction.

There are complicating factors - like a labour backlash against job loss due to mechanization. But - all in all - it has predictive power and rather elegantly explains the data.

If anyone is curious on how this pretains the Obama - that spineless Democrat - ask yourself "Who are his biggest individual donors?"

Well, they were all affilated with the places below.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contr ... =N00009638

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University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835


Universities donated - much of their work involves hi-tech R&D - but notice the lack of many labour intensive places on that list? Also notice the prominence of one very big financial capital organization - Citigroup.

Are any of you naive Obama idolizers expecting him to take on banks or initiate serious financial reform? Please smash your rose coloured glasses right now.



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03 Jan 2010, 6:21 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
...notice the lack of many labour intensive places on that list?


Without another list to compare it to, you can't notice anything. We need a list to compare/contrast it to.
Perhaps labour intensive places don't donate to anyone.



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03 Jan 2010, 11:04 am

The Corporate Left is all in favor of privatizing profit and socializing losses.

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03 Jan 2010, 1:19 pm

I don't really think banks and other financial institutes constitute a "corporate left" whether they donate to Democratic campaigns or not. If anything, I'd associate a "corporate left" with green-technology and organic-food companies, but even that's a stretch.



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03 Jan 2010, 6:00 pm

"Corporate Left" is an oxymoron, it confuses "Democrat" with "Left". These guys certainly are not left wing, they are right-wing Fascist-lite. I call them the ConservaDems


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03 Jan 2010, 6:54 pm

The Economy is bad, and Obama has not/will not do anything to fix it. He has not kept his promises partly because he can't, either way the public is beginning to see him for who he is: An idiot, just like Bush.


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03 Jan 2010, 6:58 pm

LiberalJustice wrote:
The Economy is bad, and Obama has not/will not do anything to fix it. He has not kept his promises partly because he can't, either way the public is beginning to see him for who he is: An idiot, just like Bush.


But he's an idiot the public like; a very charasmatic idiot. And if anyone insults him, it means they're racist! :roll:



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03 Jan 2010, 7:07 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
LiberalJustice wrote:
The Economy is bad, and Obama has not/will not do anything to fix it. He has not kept his promises partly because he can't, either way the public is beginning to see him for who he is: An idiot, just like Bush.


But he's an idiot the public like; a very charasmatic idiot. And if anyone insults him, it means they're racist! :roll:


There is just so much protection being black can give you. It is wearing off. To misquote Shakespeare, a phony politician of any color smells the same.



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03 Jan 2010, 8:15 pm

Both the Corporate Left and Right believe in subsidies paid for by the taxpayers. Is this Free Enterprise?

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03 Jan 2010, 9:01 pm

Thanks Master_Pedant, I wasn't as acutely aware of these things as I was previously.

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03 Jan 2010, 11:40 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
But he's an idiot the public likes; a very charasmatic idiot. And if anyone insults him, it means they're racist! :roll:
If someone insults him it means they are expressing their opinion, which is certainly within their rights.


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04 Jan 2010, 7:53 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
But he's an idiot the public like; a very charasmatic idiot. And if anyone insults him, it means they're racist! :roll:

Some may disagree with his policies, but his intelligence contrasts markedly from his predecessor's.



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04 Jan 2010, 8:32 pm

Thanks to the so very many people who failed to read the note atop this post. You're pre-relativistic, absolutist concepts of political space and time never fail to amaze me.

I was talking - fairly clearly - about the elite spectrum. I was including the elite centre as markedly to the right of a popular centre. The absolute limit to leftism - the furthest left one can go on the elite spectrum - was what I meant by "leftwing" ("elites" or "power elites" are people - generally business owners or upper managment - hold the most political influence),

I know that the (elite) political centre in the US is markedly to the right of the (elite-popular) centres in Continental Europe. My use "left" was as it applies to US politics.



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04 Jan 2010, 8:34 pm

ruveyn wrote:
The Corporate Left is all in favor of privatizing profit and socializing losses.

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That's the entire mainstream corporate spectrum ideology (corporate welfare statism). The difference between the corporate right and "left" is that the corporate "left"'s type of corporate welfare overlaps a little more with general social welfare.



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04 Jan 2010, 9:48 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
But he's an idiot the public like; a very charasmatic idiot. And if anyone insults him, it means they're racist! :roll:

Some may disagree with his policies, but his intelligence contrasts markedly from his predecessor's.


Since his policies diverge very little if at all from his predecessor's it indicates that intellect is not much of a factor.



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04 Jan 2010, 10:18 pm

Sand wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
LiberalJustice wrote:
The Economy is bad, and Obama has not/will not do anything to fix it. He has not kept his promises partly because he can't, either way the public is beginning to see him for who he is: An idiot, just like Bush.


But he's an idiot the public like; a very charasmatic idiot. And if anyone insults him, it means they're racist! :roll:


There is just so much protection being black can give you. It is wearing off. To misquote Shakespeare, a phony politician of any color smells the same.


I will more say him powerless. Beside, Obama is certainly not a idiot.


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