Did you hear about the scientologists in Haiti?

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Massive incompetence. They are hindering the other organizations and causing harm to the people who need help most.

http://gawker.com/5462117/scientologist ... e=true&s=i

A lot of people who mean good cause harm.
The problem is not the people who believe in this thing, but the ones who understand it's a scam, and keep manipulating people.

I think the usual things people say against scientology can't convince the believers - because it is said against every religion. I prefer to explain why I think it's a scam, let them hear ex-scientologists, see how they hurt people, show the famous L. Ron Hubbard quote about money and inventing a religion, etc.

Telling people that they're fools for being scientologists won't convince them.
People also tell me that I'm a fool for being an Anarchist...
I also think that if people just trash scientology, the scammers can use it in favour of their money-making-movement. They'll say we're just afraid because our religion (?) will lose believers or something.

Imagine you followed this cult - would you be convinced when people just laugh at you, and in turn you feel "at home" when talking to other scientologists? Think of how people mock Aspies, but we feel good together. The difference is that we can help those people instead of mocking them. and we can use rational claims against this cult.

I sometimes get the feeling that some people prefer to make fun of scientology-believers, rather than getting them out of this s**t. Almost as if they're happy to see other people fall in scams, and it makes them feel smarter or something...

I heard that a second group of scientologists in blue shirts only came to help the real medics with carrying and fetching equipment. No source, though.

One phrase comes to mind . . . EPIC FAIL!! Someone needs to record these people and mail it to the news stations . . . public discrediting would be a great beginning.

I knew John Travolta wasn't flying down there for his health.

So they're handing out Creole-language copies of Dianetics in the displacement camps?

For future reference and discourse, please explain your definition of cult and how is it different from an organized religion. ~

Well, in my classes, we've been able to establish a few criterias : 1) cults are usually reclusive and do not actively contribute to society. 2)They are usually centered around a charismatic leader (magical performance or what have you, organized religions have a hierarchy). Hrmph i may be forgetting some, but that's it for now. We are also discussing how sect-like groups are appearing in organized religions such as in the USA's protestant catholics.