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30 Jan 2010, 5:32 am

more than 300 people are going to 'overdose' on homeopathic remedies... to prove that they have no effect. Finally a heck of a protest.

http://www.1023.org.uk/the-1023-overdose-event.php


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30 Jan 2010, 8:17 am

Fuzzy wrote:
more than 300 people are going to 'overdose' on homeopathic remedies... to prove that they have no effect. Finally a heck of a protest.

http://www.1023.org.uk/the-1023-overdose-event.php


If they take it with water they might suffer from water toxicity before the "medicine" has any adverse effects though :wink:



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30 Jan 2010, 10:37 am

depends on the medicine...;)


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30 Jan 2010, 11:46 am

I like the name of the campaign. 10^23. :)


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30 Jan 2010, 8:13 pm

Since homeopathic medicines are, for all practical purposes, pure water, it seems to me there is a market for a bottle that has a label with a small keyboard to rewrite the prescription. That way the bottle can be refilled from any tap and a homeopathic doctor can key in a code and write the name of the medicine on the perpetual bottle to be filled at home. In a case of changing afflictions the label could be rewritten. Ideally it could be attached to a computer and the doctor and patient need never bother to meet.



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30 Jan 2010, 8:34 pm

This is horrible! All of those people killing themselves for their extremist cause!



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30 Jan 2010, 8:43 pm

Ohio State at 4:35 - Go Buckeyes!!


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30 Jan 2010, 11:41 pm

I think this campaign is likely to be ineffective for a few reasons:

1) They just come across as your typical contrarian skeptics' society type. No one really likes to listen to such people.
2) Their answers, when asked why they were there, were bland and seemed canned, as though they were just repeating things by rote.
3) The fact that they have no negative effects from an "overdose" of homeopathic remedies will only reinforce the true believers in claiming that homeopathy is safer than real medicine.
4) They aren't going to get significant publicity.

A far more effective means of combating homeopathic quackery is to strengthen the basic chemistry instruction in school systems, and for public health systems like the NHS to stop funding the nonsense.


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31 Jan 2010, 12:03 am

Orwell wrote:
A far more effective means of combating homeopathic quackery is to strengthen the basic chemistry instruction in school systems, and for public health systems like the NHS to stop funding the nonsense.

Actually, a better method instead to start human testing on the efficacy of homeopathic remedies on deadly diseases. You see, under such a trial, you would only accept the treatment if you believe that homeopathic remedies were effective. So, you know, social darwinism at it's finest! :twisted:



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31 Jan 2010, 12:07 am

Orwell wrote:
I think this campaign is likely to be ineffective for a few reasons:

1) They just come across as your typical contrarian skeptics' society type. No one really likes to listen to such people.
2) Their answers, when asked why they were there, were bland and seemed canned, as though they were just repeating things by rote.
3) The fact that they have no negative effects from an "overdose" of homeopathic remedies will only reinforce the true believers in claiming that homeopathy is safer than real medicine.
4) They aren't going to get significant publicity.

A far more effective means of combating homeopathic quackery is to strengthen the basic chemistry instruction in school systems, and for public health systems like the NHS to stop funding the nonsense.

It gets into one's skin that these guys are able to pull the notion that "the remedies are too mild to cause side effects" yet they are simultaneously able to cause good effects...


We should just wait a couple of generations until the genes that cause such dellusions get ...exterminated out of bad survival rates due to using homeopathic remedies on things that actually need treatment.

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31 Jan 2010, 12:29 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Actually, a better method instead to start human testing on the efficacy of homeopathic remedies on deadly diseases. You see, under such a trial, you would only accept the treatment if you believe that homeopathic remedies were effective. So, you know, social darwinism at it's finest! :twisted:

I know you and Vex are just being tongue-in-cheek, but I'll respond anyways. Is there good evidence to believe that gullibility is an inherited trait? And if it is, in order for such a scheme to work, we would need a widespread outbreak of a fatal (or perhaps fertility-impacting) disease that is easily treated with conventional medicine, and convince people that they need to take an either/or approach between homeopathy and medicine.


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31 Jan 2010, 4:55 am

I do hope non of them are lactose intolerant :lol:

As suggested to fuzzy on IM the homoeopathic lobby would have done well to install a narcoleptic subversive into their ranks.


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31 Jan 2010, 4:55 am

I think that a trust in homeopathy is a learned trait rather than a genetic trait. However, that population's growth might still be stunted by a decrease in the number of propagators. Still, I think that helping the natural predator - chemistry education - is a very good way to do that.


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31 Jan 2010, 7:39 am

Yet somehow I think that nowadays waiting for evolution to happen is actually more realistic.


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31 Jan 2010, 10:38 am

Well that's sad....

Guess there's not a whole lot cynics can do for these people.


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31 Jan 2010, 1:02 pm

Orwell wrote:
I know you and Vex are just being tongue-in-cheek, but I'll respond anyways. Is there good evidence to believe that gullibility is an inherited trait? And if it is, in order for such a scheme to work, we would need a widespread outbreak of a fatal (or perhaps fertility-impacting) disease that is easily treated with conventional medicine, and convince people that they need to take an either/or approach between homeopathy and medicine.

Well, if gullibility is a personality trait, then I would strongly suspect a high rate of heritability. Most personality traits have about 50% of the variation explained by genetics.

And Orwell, despite all of the difficulties, it will pay off in the end.