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05 Mar 2010, 12:51 am

Ok guys let's liven up the place with a fantasy topic.

Let say one day we get to own a planet and it's full of ASD people with no or Neurotypicals are the minority.
How would it be like? How would it function? How would it look like?



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05 Mar 2010, 12:57 am

In all probability, it would not function. Humans are a social species, we do not survive well outside of groups and autistics are terrible at forming groups.


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05 Mar 2010, 12:59 am

Then a planet friendly to Autistics and Asperger's then?



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05 Mar 2010, 1:03 am

They call those "university math departments."


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05 Mar 2010, 1:07 am

To me I was thinking that while the citizens will not be forced to open up like they are in the NT world. In Aspergia, they will be allow to open at their own pace. I think Planet Aspergers will be a pretty clean planet and have more environmental friendly stuff. For example, candies will be made from natural products or even non existent. No artificial colorings. Also the food will not be grown with chemicals but with natural
fertilizers. There will no smokers. No dyes even hair dyes. So no chemical nonsenses of Earth.

However, a greedy NT empire seeking to conquer would mean the end of that.



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05 Mar 2010, 1:24 am

Tales wrote:
To me I was thinking that while the citizens will not be forced to open up like they are in the NT world. In Aspergia, they will be allow to open at their own pace. I think Planet Aspergers will be a pretty clean planet and have more environmental friendly stuff. For example, candies will be made from natural products or even non existent. No artificial colorings. Also the food will not be grown with chemicals but with natural
fertilizers. There will no smokers. No dyes even hair dyes. So no chemical nonsenses of Earth.

However, a greedy NT empire seeking to conquer would mean the end of that.


Sugar is a very natural product and it rots teeth.



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05 Mar 2010, 1:27 am

Sugar is natural. Wait there is an effect on People with ASD?



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05 Mar 2010, 1:32 am

Tales wrote:
Sugar is natural. Wait there is an effect on People with ASD?


Toothless people with ASD are probably safe although stomach acid can be disturbing. A planet with toothless ASD people seems an interesting prospect.



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05 Mar 2010, 1:33 am

I don't know how environmentally friendly it would be. Honestly, I only care about the environment in as much as I am directly impacted, and I wouldn't care that much if we turn the planet into a barren rock so long as we make sure that we have parks and gardens in some locations.

I also don't see the problem with candies. Why natural products. Why non-existent? I like candy. I don't really care much about the content. I also would imagine that the unnatural ingredients likely have some benefit, either in reducing the resources consumed or increasing the quality. I mean, companies don't arbitrarily alter things. The only thing that would be different is that sugar would likely be a bit more popular than corn syrup due to Aspies not having patience for arbitrary governmental subsidies.

I suppose there might be less chemicals, but I really don't know. I personally have thought about experimenting with drugs just for the experience. After all, why not? You can even do this legally with Salvia. I just haven't done so yet, mostly due to a desire for privacy if I were to do this.

I also see no reason not to have some elements of self-interest. How else would we coordinate the economy? Most models of socialism are considered intellectual dead and have been for decades. The best I've seen is still very market oriented but with some redistribution and an emphasis on worker ownership in industries.



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05 Mar 2010, 1:34 am

Hm I think we can say that the citizens of Aspergia would be having food with less sugar. Sugarcane plantations would be less abundant on this planet. So is salt.



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05 Mar 2010, 1:36 am

Well I thought that our conditions were aggravated by artificial flavourings and lead ions as well as chemicals you find in many things... We are a reflection of a human race that has been absorbing polluted air, water and food.



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05 Mar 2010, 1:37 am

I also agree that an Aspie society would have more problems than projected. I don't think it would necessarily fail. But it would be a trade-off and even one that may be negative in some ways. Aspies have weaker soft-skills and are less comfortable with tacit knowledge and this could easily cause us to seem like idiot savants more than anything else. Success could only be maintained by some aspies taking on some NT-ish traits and acting as alphas in our society, I would think, and functioning as social hubs, risk-takers, and synthesizers of various forms of data. (They'd be alphas because in doing this, they would likely get more power.)



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05 Mar 2010, 1:37 am

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The only thing that would be different is that sugar would likely be a bit more popular than corn syrup due to Aspies not having patience for arbitrary governmental subsidies.

Do all Aspies project their own beliefs onto the rest of the autistic spectrum? Perhaps it has something to do with the underdeveloped theory of mind, but I see this line of reasoning surprisingly often. "I think x, I'm an Aspie, I bet other Aspies are similar to me, therefore all/most Aspies think x."


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05 Mar 2010, 1:40 am

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Do all Aspies project their own beliefs onto the rest of the autistic spectrum? Perhaps it has something to do with the underdeveloped theory of mind, but I see this line of reasoning surprisingly often. "I think x, I'm an Aspie, I bet other Aspies are similar to me, therefore all/most Aspies think x."

No, it is just that the subsidies are REALLY quite stupid. I mean, there is like no justification for these subsidies other than a love of corn farmers.

EDIT: Ok, I think I get it. Aspies are not super-rational and often irrational.



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05 Mar 2010, 1:42 am

Orwell wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
The only thing that would be different is that sugar would likely be a bit more popular than corn syrup due to Aspies not having patience for arbitrary governmental subsidies.

Do all Aspies project their own beliefs onto the rest of the autistic spectrum? Perhaps it has something to do with the underdeveloped theory of mind, but I see this line of reasoning surprisingly often. "I think x, I'm an Aspie, I bet other Aspies are similar to me, therefore all/most Aspies think x."


Hey Orwell, this is also my worry. just to let you know I am not ASD but I have been volunteering to help these group of people out. I had one ASD guy due to his background of forcing and a broken marriage, he's very impatient and only prefers to do his own things or wants the thing to revolve around him. This seems like projecting their own beliefs on others dun you think?



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05 Mar 2010, 1:44 am

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Well I thought that our conditions were aggravated by artificial flavourings and lead ions as well as chemicals you find in many things... We are a reflection of a human race that has been absorbing polluted air, water and food.

I hadn't heard much about that.

Frankly, the biggest theory I've heard is "MERCURY!! AGGH!! !" and that was false.

I tended to assume that this was more of a matter of genetics. I certainly don't think there is much correlation between aspies distributed in the population and the consumption of artificial ingredients. If there were, then aspieness would occur more so in the poor, but instead we see concentrations around silicon valley.