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Who would you like to see win the election?
Poll ended at 08 May 2010, 5:44 pm
Labour Party - Gordon Brown 18%  18%  [ 7 ]
Conservative Party - David Cameron 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
Liberal Democrats - Nick Clegg 45%  45%  [ 18 ]
Other 25%  25%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 40

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03 Apr 2010, 5:44 pm

Who would you like to see win the election?



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03 Apr 2010, 8:24 pm

rmgh wrote:
Who would you like to see win the election?


If I were a Brit (I am not) it would be anyone who is not in the Labour Party. I really cannot stand the Proles.

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04 Apr 2010, 7:24 am

labour is now "new labour" ie rather right wing and conservative. it is really rather unfortunate that the UK is basically a two party state :(



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04 Apr 2010, 11:17 am

Vote for neither? =/ Vote of protest?



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04 Apr 2010, 12:59 pm

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labour is now "new labour" ie rather right wing and conservative. it is really rather unfortunate that the UK is basically a two party state :(

I thought the Liberal Democrats were taking over the leftist role in British politics?

Anyways, polarized two-party states and monolithic single-party states are the only stable configurations; all other arrangements will tend to reach one of those two equilibrium points. The hope for "third parties" is a vain one.


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04 Apr 2010, 1:08 pm

Lest the new Labour Party is taken over by its "Socalist Campaign" rump, I'd vote for the Liberal Democrats in many cases. Assuming, of course, the Liberal Democrat was a member of the "Beveridge Group" faction. I'd vote Labour if the politician was a member of the Labour Left, especially the "Socalist Campaign".



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04 Apr 2010, 1:09 pm

Orwell wrote:
conan wrote:
labour is now "new labour" ie rather right wing and conservative. it is really rather unfortunate that the UK is basically a two party state :(

I thought the Liberal Democrats were taking over the leftist role in British politics?

Anyways, polarized two-party states and monolithic single-party states are the only stable configurations; all other arrangements will tend to reach one of those two equilibrium points. The hope for "third parties" is a vain one.


In a somewhat idiosyncratic fashion, yes. They are transforming into the social democratic party of Britian - although their is an internal faction war between the progressive liberals and the neoliberals.



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04 Apr 2010, 2:24 pm

Orwell wrote:
conan wrote:
labour is now "new labour" ie rather right wing and conservative. it is really rather unfortunate that the UK is basically a two party state :(

I thought the Liberal Democrats were taking over the leftist role in British politics?

Anyways, polarized two-party states and monolithic single-party states are the only stable configurations; all other arrangements will tend to reach one of those two equilibrium points. The hope for "third parties" is a vain one.

It is somewhat a problem here in Scotland as our parliament has a number of popular parties. We have a coalition government just now with SNP and Green Party. Last year, Scottish Labour made a protest against SNP by getting together with Scottish Conservative and Scottish Liberal Democrats to vote against the budget, causing it to be delayed and costing millions of pounds.



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04 Apr 2010, 2:27 pm

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Lest the new Labour Party is taken over by its "Socalist Campaign" rump, I'd vote for the Liberal Democrats in many cases. Assuming, of course, the Liberal Democrat was a member of the "Beveridge Group" faction. I'd vote Labour if the politician was a member of the Labour Left, especially the "Socalist Campaign".

A lot of Labour back benchers are still quite left wing but the cabinet are almost as right wing as the Conservatives now. If I was in England, I would probably vote tactically to keep the Conservatives out.



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04 Apr 2010, 4:29 pm

rmgh wrote:
It is somewhat a problem here in Scotland as our parliament has a number of popular parties. We have a coalition government just now with SNP and Green Party. Last year, Scottish Labour made a protest against SNP by getting together with Scottish Conservative and Scottish Liberal Democrats to vote against the budget, causing it to be delayed and costing millions of pounds.

The "coalition" system allows the parties to be divided into two camps (government and opposition) but this is of course unstable as not everyone in the coalition shares the same ideals, making the eventual collapse of coalition inevitable.

I am not familiar with the particulars of British or Scottish politics. I assume your Green party is the same as everyone else's Green party. Are SNP the Scottish Nationalists/devolutionists? Presumably the Liberal Democrats are some form of social democrats. Where do the Scottish Conservatives fit in?


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04 Apr 2010, 6:26 pm

rmgh wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Lest the new Labour Party is taken over by its "Socalist Campaign" rump, I'd vote for the Liberal Democrats in many cases. Assuming, of course, the Liberal Democrat was a member of the "Beveridge Group" faction. I'd vote Labour if the politician was a member of the Labour Left, especially the "Socalist Campaign".

A lot of Labour back benchers are still quite left wing but the cabinet are almost as right wing as the Conservatives now. If I was in England, I would probably vote tactically to keep the Conservatives out.


as far as i'm aware you will get a vote in the general election. afterall scotland is not completely devolved.

i might vote lib dem but i really don't want the conservatives in. i just hate that politics becomes such a pr war instead of actually doing stuff. has anyboyd seen the thick of it? Truely brilliant program and i believe there is a lot of truth to it.



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04 Apr 2010, 6:49 pm

I'd kind of have to know the policies of the three parties better to say much.

I am not exactly an expert on UK Politics, but I would imagine that I would likely slip in somewhere between the Labor and Conservative parties out of the 3 major parties. The big issue is a matter of policies though, as I doubt I am friendly to conservative social policies.



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04 Apr 2010, 7:39 pm

I don't care, whoever likes America the most.

I've seen that Cameron guy have been using a lot of the same imagery and what not of Obama so I don't think I'd like him.



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04 Apr 2010, 7:44 pm

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I don't care, whoever likes America the most.

I've seen that Cameron guy have been using a lot of the same imagery and what not of Obama so I don't think I'd like him.


"Cameron recruits leading Obama advisers to rejuvenate final weeks of campaign"

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/theto ... paign.html

Makes sense. Cameron is a cult of personality guy going against the technocratic and very experienced Gordon Brown (who was utterly wrong not to call an election early on in his Premiership). Both are moderate conservatives. They go nicely together.



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04 Apr 2010, 7:53 pm

rmgh wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Lest the new Labour Party is taken over by its "Socalist Campaign" rump, I'd vote for the Liberal Democrats in many cases. Assuming, of course, the Liberal Democrat was a member of the "Beveridge Group" faction. I'd vote Labour if the politician was a member of the Labour Left, especially the "Socalist Campaign".

A lot of Labour back benchers are still quite left wing but the cabinet are almost as right wing as the Conservatives now. If I was in England, I would probably vote tactically to keep the Conservatives out.


Where the Labour candidate was Rightwing I would vote Liberal Democrat if the Lib Dem was a member of the Beveridge Group. Where the Liberal Democrat were rightwing, I would vote for a Labour candidate. Where both were intolerably to the Right, I would vote RESPECT.



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05 Apr 2010, 4:29 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
rmgh wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Lest the new Labour Party is taken over by its "Socalist Campaign" rump, I'd vote for the Liberal Democrats in many cases. Assuming, of course, the Liberal Democrat was a member of the "Beveridge Group" faction. I'd vote Labour if the politician was a member of the Labour Left, especially the "Socalist Campaign".

A lot of Labour back benchers are still quite left wing but the cabinet are almost as right wing as the Conservatives now. If I was in England, I would probably vote tactically to keep the Conservatives out.


Where the Labour candidate was Rightwing I would vote Liberal Democrat if the Lib Dem was a member of the Beveridge Group. Where the Liberal Democrat were rightwing, I would vote for a Labour candidate. Where both were intolerably to the Right, I would vote RESPECT.


I generally vote Lib Dem as I like the`idea of supporting the underdog and to me it's a vote against deadlocked two-party politics. That, and they have some good policies and seem more sensible. I need to educate myself a bit more on the issues that you have pointed out above. Thanks.


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