God is his own creation and creator

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God is his own creator and creation. Why can't this be possible? God is a causality loop. A causality loop is this: A causes B and B causes C and C causes A. We have a cycle. Let's say we assign G to God. G causes G and G is caused by G. Why can't God be his own cycle?. Why can't this be an explanation as to how God is the Alpha and Omega or how he is the beginning and the end.

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Revelation 1:8 (King James Version)
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

By this passage in the bible from Revelation we can surmise there is a beginning and there is an end. The question comes is what was before the beginning and logically there can't be anything before the beginning because if there was then creation would have always existed and there would be no beginning. What if God in addition to being a creator God is a creation as well. What if God is his own beginning? The only way this could be possible is through time. Maybe God from a point in the future created creation including himself therefore causing himself and we have a causality loop. This means God is his own father and his own God.

thus proving the big bang. completely random crap happening to create life.

By the most basic logic an effect must have a cause. If there is no cause there can be no effect.

unless the cause is the effect

Ok, the problem with a loop like this:
1) To create something, an entity has to exist first.
2) If an entity already exists, then it does not have to be created.
3) God creates himself.
4) This is impossible because in order for God to create, he must exist, and so God cannot create himself. (1 & 3)
5) This is absurd because if God already exists, then he does not need to create himself. (2 & 3)
6) Because of this, the idea "God creates himself" must be rejected. (4 & 5)

From a biblical view, doesn't it say, well at least imply that he wasn't created (i.e. Holy means totally other than - uncreated), thus any idea that requires God to be created is unbiblical?

Also, the idea that every effect must have a cause (a Hindu idea!), is difficult, such that this requires then that nothing exists, if there ever was nothing. However if there was always something (that which some call God), then this principle must not apply to that something (God). We could say that his principle was put forth (created, originated in), the uncreated something (God)...

There is the possibility that God is like a virtual particle which pops into being with its opposite and then destructs when the two come together. Therefore God and Satan popped into being simultaneously and that's why God hasn't been around for a few thousand years. He met the devil and they imploded.

God is eternal, outside physical time. This universe however, with its 1.43 × 10^72 Joules (or 1.59 × 10^55 kilograms) is what cannot create itself.

I just did speculation. Hey, I could be wrong. It is not the first time. We are talking about time here though and the mechanics of it.



Couldn't this type of secnario be possible? It is a paradox of time travel and time itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%94A ... s%E2%80%94

Why can't this be a predestination paradox?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_paradox

If you view time as a chain of cause and effect, wouldn't there need to be a first cause to set everything in motion? Of course their is also the possibility,
cause and effect are only an illusion we project on our world to make sense of it. Time might be seen as a continuous organic flow with infinite moments between this second and the next.
I'm a big fan of Descartes and Leibniz

To be perfectly honest, these kinds of discussions are completely lost on me.

Here's something I've wondered about: Is it possible for NOTHING to exist? I'm just taking a stab at this, but I'll try to put forth something that MIGHT be clear.

Take the first words of the Bible: "In the beginning, God..."

Also consider the first words of the Gospel of John: "In the beginning was the Word; and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

This is how I think of it: This tells me that God, in very simply language, plainly EXISTED. As the originator of creation, He has no need of a creator Himself, otherwise we'd just argue that if God needed a father, He'd need a grandfather, great-grandfather, and so on all the way back to infinity. The universe was born out of a necessity: that SOMETHING exist, and that need for existence is tied to God's own existence. From that, I say that Nothingness is impossible, and God's "birth" is from the Impossibility of Nothing.

Even if you believe in the Big Bang, you're still hard-pressed to trace its origin. Sure, there are a lot of hypotheses on this, but nothing that can be tested. How is it possible for Something to come from Nothing? It isn't, but it MIGHT be said that it is possible for Something to come from the Impossibility of Nothing.

Anyway, it's difficult to say anything really coherent about this kind of thing. But perhaps someone might find that useful?

"Is it possible for NOTHING to exist?"

Would anti-matter fit your bill?