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16 Nov 2019, 12:48 am

GOP and Democrats have completely given up on the national debt

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I am suspending my race for the presidency,” Mark Sanford, who you might have not known was running, ­announced Wednesday — “because impeachment has made my goal of making the debt, deficit and spending issue a part of this presidential debate impossible right now.”

To which one might respond: What’s impeachment got to do with it?

Quid pro quo or no, President Trump’s Republican Party, in marked contrast to the scrappy GOP opposition under President Barack Obama, has not as a matter of policy or even rhetoric cared one whit about limiting federal debt, deficits or spending

The debt clock crossed over the $23 trillion threshold on Halloween with nary a Republican peep. Remember how GOP backbenchers used to threaten government shutdowns if increases in the national borrowing limit weren’t tethered to spending cuts? Now they just join forces with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and waive the debt ceiling away.

Trillion-dollar budget deficits were a rallying cry at Tea Party protests during Obama’s first term. Now those streets are empty as the annual gap between expenditure and revenue has stretched back up to $984 billion in this just-completed fiscal year, thanks largely to an 8 percent spending increase against a 4 percent boost in tax revenue.

Ten years ago, then-President-elect Obama warned about ­Social Security and Medicare, “What we have done is kicked this can down the road. We are now at the end of the road and are not in a position to kick it any further.”

The debt clock crossed over the $23 trillion threshold on Halloween with nary a Republican peep. Remember how GOP backbenchers used to threaten government shutdowns if increases in the national borrowing limit weren’t tethered to spending cuts? Now they just join forces with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and waive the debt ceiling away.

Trillion-dollar budget deficits were a rallying cry at Tea Party protests during Obama’s first term. Now those streets are empty as the annual gap between expenditure and revenue has stretched back up to $984 billion in this just-completed fiscal year, thanks largely to an 8 percent spending increase against a 4 percent boost in tax revenue.

Ten years ago, then-President-elect Obama warned about ­Social Security and Medicare, “What we have done is kicked this can down the road. We are now at the end of the road and are not in a position to kick it any further.”

It is both easy and necessary to blame some of the public disinterest on Republican shamelessness. For instance, when Mick Mulvaney was still a member of the fiscally rectitudinous House Freedom Caucus in March 2015, he wrote that “there is no honest way to justify not paying for spending, no matter how often my fellow Republicans try.” By 2018, as arguably the most powerful member of Trump’s cabinet, Mulvaney had changed his tune to: “We need to have new deficits.”

Wake up, GOP challengers: This is Trump's party now
But at least he once knew better. Sen. Bernie Sanders, in whose policy image Democrats have spent the last four years remaking themselves, has been wrong his whole career about government spending and economic intervention. And yet Bernie’s magical thinking about math has become the rage even in academia, where Modern Monetary Theory has essentially handed Democrats a blank checkbook.

And oh Lordy, are they scribbling in the zeroes.

The ballyhooed Medicare for All plan from Sen. Elizabeth Warren would cost $20 trillion in new government spending by her own estimates, which means you can safely double it.

Sen. Kamala Harris wants $2 trillion just for historically black colleges and universities. A trillion here, a trillion there — pretty soon it adds up to real money!

Then again, maybe all these politicos know something we hawks are reluctant to admit. Namely, that you win elections by promising voters what they want to hear. Trump routed the GOP field four years ago while mocking the green-eyeshade likes of Paul Ryan. Bernie’s democratic socialism resonated way more with millennials than the insincere class warfare of Goldman Sachs lecturer Hillary Clinton did.

What’s more, after nearly a full decade of low interest rates, low inflation and a steadily growing economy, the horror stories that deficit hawks like to tell have lost their ability to spook. Money is cheap until the moment it’s not; in the meantime, why not go shopping?

Having one major party at least rhetorically committed to fiscal sanity, with the other at least sporadically impelled to acknowledge math, looks in retrospect like a golden era. With both parties now unmoored, be very afraid of what happens when the music stops.


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16 Nov 2019, 3:58 am

Not American, but national deficits can be a complicated subject. By nature of how economies work, with ups and downs, you have to expect that you will have periods of low taxes and high spending, it is the main way to avoid things like bad recessions. Problems though seem to be that certain people fight against raising taxes up again when it should, only trying to lower spending, before you end up with big wealth inequality and other problems that will require heavy spending eventually in trying to catch up. At least from my familiarity there was also a lot of cases of selling off government resources to privatise them, creating short term improvements in budgets, but making it worse in the long run, especially by conservative governments.

In my experience, a conservative government does not mean actually fiscally conservative. Mostly lead by those currently happy with the system, that is the rich, who do things to help the other rich. And while a more Left or progressive government is in control they hammer them for being fiscally irresponsible, despite quite often not the case. Public health options takes the burden off of the individual, especially those who might not be able afford it normally, and saves money from not worry about middle man insurance companies. Education policies, especially for disadvantaged groups that may not normally be able to afford it, will overall make the country more educated and thus more prosperous. They just really suck at being able explain how policies will improve the financial health of a country, over groups that say to keep cutting taxes and hold no shame over criticising their opponents for deficits when they can be even worse.


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16 Nov 2019, 4:13 am

Budget deficit is good it is government spending that adds to the economy. Unemployment rate decreases when government achieves Budget Deficit.
Budget Surplus is bad it takes money out of the economy and pay down government debt. Unemployment rates increase when a government achieves a Budget Surplus.
Government only needs to pay down the interest payments on its debt and it does not need to pay down National government.



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16 Nov 2019, 1:43 pm

Rainbow_Belle wrote:
Budget deficit is good it is government spending that adds to the economy. Unemployment rate decreases when government achieves Budget Deficit.
Budget Surplus is bad it takes money out of the economy and pay down government debt. Unemployment rates increase when a government achieves a Budget Surplus.
Government only needs to pay down the interest payments on its debt and it does not need to pay down National government.

That's a Ponzi scheme.

You continually pay back old investors with new investors.


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16 Nov 2019, 2:13 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Rainbow_Belle wrote:
Budget deficit is good it is government spending that adds to the economy. Unemployment rate decreases when government achieves Budget Deficit.
Budget Surplus is bad it takes money out of the economy and pay down government debt. Unemployment rates increase when a government achieves a Budget Surplus.
Government only needs to pay down the interest payments on its debt and it does not need to pay down National government.

That's a Ponzi scheme.

You continually pay back old investors with new investors.


Yep, will collapse eventually. Granted deficit spending can work if growth outstrips the deficit, but you have to have a surplus at some time.

Before people blame tax cuts, tax receipts have been up most of the time this debt has been growing. Government spending is out of control.


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