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01 Jun 2010, 1:31 pm

I want to know if any of yall Belive in god Becuse i do



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01 Jun 2010, 1:33 pm

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01 Jun 2010, 1:39 pm

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01 Jun 2010, 1:50 pm

Which god?

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01 Jun 2010, 1:58 pm

I'm going to quote a movie about the ten commandments:


No, not really.


/name that movie!!


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01 Jun 2010, 1:58 pm

Any God that could be said to exist must be absurd, immoral, and/or pathetic. I don't see why I would believe in such a thing and so I STRIDENTLY affirm that I do not.

Unlike other contenders, I provide atheism that is both thoughtful and genuine. So vote Awesomelyglorious for "Most Strident Atheist". Awesomelyglorious: atheism that you can rely upon.
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01 Jun 2010, 2:12 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Any God that could be said to exist must be absurd, immoral, and/or pathetic. I don't see why I would believe in such a thing and so I STRIDENTLY affirm that I do not.

Unlike other contenders, I provide atheism that is both thoughtful and genuine. So vote Awesomelyglorious for "Most Strident Atheist". Awesomelyglorious: atheism that you can rely upon.
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You are welcome to the Title. I believe that the ancient Israelites (and perhaps other peoples) were in communication with advanced extraterrestrial aliens whom they took to be gods. If the technology is sufficiently advanced, as Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, it looks magical, supernatural and miraculous. The description of the vehicle in the book of Ezikiel fits very well with a lander craft of some sort. The departure of the "angel" who announced the birth of Samson to his parents, fits a Star Trek type "beam up" rather well. The departure of the Prophet Elijah in a "chariot of fire" looks like a trip on a vehicle heading to orbit. I am sure that the Founding Fathers of Judaism were in contact with something Very Advanced, but I do not believe for one minute that it was supernatural. Everything that exists is natural, including god or the gods.

I am sure the human race has been contacted and even influenced by beings who do not have a Prime Directive to stay out of local affairs. Think about it for a minute. In the period of time from about 3000 b.c.e. to about 300 b.c.e. the thinking of humans was greatly altered in various civilizations. Humans went from worshiping incomprehensible forces in the world to relying in rules and laws and principles. In Greece it was the Ionians. Similar things were happening in Egypt, Babylon, India and China at about the same time. I think there might have been an off world influence at work here for the thinking of humans to change so much in a relatively short time. Off world beings, the "gods" if you will, might have been at work here.

I am aware that this is far from a robust case, but it is something to think about. Humans are smart (but nasty) critters and they pick up tricks very fast no matter where they come from.

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01 Jun 2010, 2:14 pm

Yes, I believe in the God of the Bible.



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01 Jun 2010, 2:15 pm

I believes the ceiling cat is watching over all of us including god.

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01 Jun 2010, 2:16 pm

I think it is likely something developed current human technology because there is a glitch in evolution nobody has solved yet - around 4000 years ago?

Imagine a dying race landing on earth and doing genetic experiments to ensure the survival of their species.

Their genes are within us.

Every so often in interbreading a throwback is born with pure characteristics.

Black cat in a litter of tabbys because there was a black cat way back etc.

People with aspergers are aliens showing up as throwbacks from current human technology.

The dying race died out.

Our creator is dead.

Anyone care to prove my hypothesis LOL

There is no being assessing us, mentoring us etc.

That perception/sensation is something entirely different to God.

Or whatever version of that I am in the mood for.

Ultimately there is no *real* you.

All this is an illusion.

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01 Jun 2010, 2:17 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yes, I believe in the God of the Bible.


Is the god of the bible supernatural? To a bronze age due it might appear so.

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01 Jun 2010, 2:29 pm

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You are welcome to the Title. I believe that the ancient Israelites (and perhaps other peoples) were in communication with advanced extraterrestrial aliens whom they took to be gods. If the technology is sufficiently advanced, as Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, it looks magical, supernatural and miraculous. The description of the vehicle in the book of Ezikiel fits very well with a lander craft of some sort. The departure of the "angel" who announced the birth of Samson to his parents, fits a Star Trek type "beam up" rather well. The departure of the Prophet Elijah in a "chariot of fire" looks like a trip on a vehicle heading to orbit. I am sure that the Founding Fathers of Judaism were in contact with something Very Advanced, but I do not believe for one minute that it was supernatural. Everything that exists is natural, including god or the gods.

I am sure the human race has been contacted and even influenced by beings who do not have a Prime Directive to stay out of local affairs. Think about it for a minute. In the period of time from about 3000 b.c.e. to about 300 b.c.e. the thinking of humans was greatly altered in various civilizations. Humans went from worshiping incomprehensible forces in the world to relying in rules and laws and principles. In Greece it was the Ionians. Similar things were happening in Egypt, Babylon, India and China at about the same time. I think there might have been an off world influence at work here for the thinking of humans to change so much in a relatively short time. Off world beings, the "gods" if you will, might have been at work here.

I am aware that this is far from a robust case, but it is something to think about. Humans are smart (but nasty) critters and they pick up tricks very fast no matter where they come from.

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Yes, but ruveyn, the problem is that this is magical thinking without much historical basis. It is hard to say whether this is actually better than being a theist.

I mean, the fact that we see spirituality and such spontaneously emerge today and people continue to witness "miracles" just seems.... well.... strange given your theory of the emergence of such things.



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01 Jun 2010, 2:48 pm

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Is the god of the bible supernatural?

Apparantely so.


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01 Jun 2010, 2:52 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yes, I believe in the God of the Bible.


Is the god of the bible supernatural? To a bronze age due it might appear so.

ruveyn


I don't know ruveyn. According to the atheistic scenario of anthropology, the people that you and my wife descended from are actually the people who the Bible says were to be driven out of Canaan by Joshua. Canaanites, such as the Hittites. The Hittites were actually an iron-age people at that time in circa 1500 BC. So, if the secular explanation of history is right, then it wouldn't be just for bronze age dudes, but also for iron-age dudes....



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01 Jun 2010, 4:44 pm

Yes, I believe in God.



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01 Jun 2010, 5:20 pm

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ruveyn wrote:
You are welcome to the Title. I believe that the ancient Israelites (and perhaps other peoples) were in communication with advanced extraterrestrial aliens whom they took to be gods. If the technology is sufficiently advanced, as Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, it looks magical, supernatural and miraculous. The description of the vehicle in the book of Ezikiel fits very well with a lander craft of some sort. The departure of the "angel" who announced the birth of Samson to his parents, fits a Star Trek type "beam up" rather well. The departure of the Prophet Elijah in a "chariot of fire" looks like a trip on a vehicle heading to orbit. I am sure that the Founding Fathers of Judaism were in contact with something Very Advanced, but I do not believe for one minute that it was supernatural. Everything that exists is natural, including god or the gods.

I am sure the human race has been contacted and even influenced by beings who do not have a Prime Directive to stay out of local affairs. Think about it for a minute. In the period of time from about 3000 b.c.e. to about 300 b.c.e. the thinking of humans was greatly altered in various civilizations. Humans went from worshiping incomprehensible forces in the world to relying in rules and laws and principles. In Greece it was the Ionians. Similar things were happening in Egypt, Babylon, India and China at about the same time. I think there might have been an off world influence at work here for the thinking of humans to change so much in a relatively short time. Off world beings, the "gods" if you will, might have been at work here.

I am aware that this is far from a robust case, but it is something to think about. Humans are smart (but nasty) critters and they pick up tricks very fast no matter where they come from.

ruveyn

Yes, but ruveyn, the problem is that this is magical thinking without much historical basis. It is hard to say whether this is actually better than being a theist.

I mean, the fact that we see spirituality and such spontaneously emerge today and people continue to witness "miracles" just seems.... well.... strange given your theory of the emergence of such things.


First of all, there is no magic. Second of all the human race went from primitive believers in the earth/nature powers to people who built systems of natural law and principles in a remarkably short time. Now this could have been natural progress or it might have been brought about by some Outside Help. The principles of natural law grew up all of a sudden in Ionian Greece, Babylon and to some extent Egypt. It also happened in China which had no close trade ties (at that time) with Babylon or Egypt. Why, all of a sudden did this change take place. I offered a hypothesis. I have no really strong evidence to support it, but it is consistent with the historical facts. So that makes it NOT magical thinking. It is speculative, but it is founded on natural processes, not god-magic.

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