Why was Oral Roberts able to see a 900 foot Jesus?

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31 Jul 2010, 10:45 am

Why was Oral Roberts able to see a 900 foot Jesus yet no one else saw it?

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... story.html



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31 Jul 2010, 10:59 am

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Why was Oral Roberts able to see a 900 foot Jesus yet no one else saw it?

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... story.html


There are more interesting things to worry about.



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31 Jul 2010, 11:46 am

Sand wrote:
pgd wrote:
Why was Oral Roberts able to see a 900 foot Jesus yet no one else saw it?

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... story.html


There are more interesting things to worry about.


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31 Jul 2010, 12:12 pm

pgd wrote:
Sand wrote:
pgd wrote:
Why was Oral Roberts able to see a 900 foot Jesus yet no one else saw it?

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... story.html


There are more interesting things to worry about.


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Imagination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability of forming mental images, sensations and concepts, in a moment when they are not perceived ...

Description - Psychology of imagination - Imagination and perception
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To imagine something is altogether different from having a delusion. Delusions are a form of mental illness.

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31 Jul 2010, 2:54 pm

it's called schizophrenia . do you know that when he fell 2 million bucks short of what he was ordered to collect, some dips--t oil baron wrote him a check for the 2 mil. the guy said 'didn't want to see god kill him'. i can't stand it



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31 Jul 2010, 3:39 pm

danandlouie wrote:
it's called schizophrenia . do you know that when he fell 2 million bucks short of what he was ordered to collect, some dips--t oil baron wrote him a check for the 2 mil. the guy said 'didn't want to see god kill him'. i can't stand it


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It could be called the Non-Profit Religious Show Business, too, it seems to me. It's known that some religious persons put a high value on acting and theater. Hey, if a preacher has the ability to act and stay within that role, apparently they can make good money by asking for it.

Is it possible that some religious preachers will intentionally stay within a character role (role = preacherman) acting if a good performance reaps lots of money from the collection plates? My opinion today is yes.

If they stay within a religious performance without blinking, they can walk out of the religious performance with loads of cash.

Most actors can make a lot more money playing a religious preacher than they can playing a character from a Shakespeare play.

That's my understanding today.

In terms of neurological challenges impacting a person's desire to do things religious, I think there is some evidence that perhaps some types of the many epilepsies can contribute to that such as Temporal Lobe Epilepsy in some preachers. (X-ref: Ellen White - Seventh Day Adventists).



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31 Jul 2010, 3:59 pm

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Why was Oral Roberts able to see a 900 foot Jesus yet no one else saw it?

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... story.html


Simplest answer is probably the most correct...so either he was lying or he's delusional. Considering that psychosis, religion, and a desire for power all go hand-in-hand, the latter wouldn't surprise me but the former is a much more basic answer. I'd like to see what he'd say if he faced going to the nuthouse for it (as such delusional people should).


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31 Jul 2010, 4:14 pm

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pgd wrote:
Why was Oral Roberts able to see a 900 foot Jesus yet no one else saw it?

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... story.html


Simplest answer is probably the most correct...so either he was lying or he's delusional. Considering that psychosis, religion, and a desire for power all go hand-in-hand, the latter wouldn't surprise me but the former is a much more basic answer. I'd like to see what he'd say if he faced going to the nuthouse for it (as such delusional people should).


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Today I believe the heads of some non-profit religions are motivated by such things as power, a lust for money, even a lust for fame. I think power and money can explain some aspects of some non-profit religions very well today. Movies like The Lord of the Rings deal with the idea of religious/political power/values. Even one of the characters in the Harry Potter series said that it wasn't a question of good or evil - it was all about only one thing power.



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31 Jul 2010, 5:49 pm

When I was in my teens, I used to go old fasioned evangelical churches, and i had vivid dreams all the time of of being in huge old churches with an angry god coming after me and the church collapsing. And it would be too pure and shiny for me to be in so i would be chased out. After that i went to clappy pentecostal churches for a few years, and i had vivid dreams and night hallucinations about preachers using their force power to push people over and lift me into the air. then i got into David Icke and conspicaries and had the same about pyramids and entities from other dimensions.



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02 Aug 2010, 2:38 am

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When I was in my teens, I used to go old fasioned evangelical churches, and i had vivid dreams all the time of of being in huge old churches with an angry god coming after me and the church collapsing. And it would be too pure and shiny for me to be in so i would be chased out. After that i went to clappy pentecostal churches for a few years, and i had vivid dreams and night hallucinations about preachers using their force power to push people over and lift me into the air. then i got into David Icke and conspicaries and had the same about pyramids and entities from other dimensions.


Perhaps psychiatry would help.



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02 Aug 2010, 2:46 am

My point was that "over active mind" people have vivid dreams and daydreams sometimes. Usually focussed on their obsession at the time. As in the OPs question.



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02 Aug 2010, 5:14 pm

pgd wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
pgd wrote:
Why was Oral Roberts able to see a 900 foot Jesus yet no one else saw it?

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfa ... story.html


Simplest answer is probably the most correct...so either he was lying or he's delusional. Considering that psychosis, religion, and a desire for power all go hand-in-hand, the latter wouldn't surprise me but the former is a much more basic answer. I'd like to see what he'd say if he faced going to the nuthouse for it (as such delusional people should).


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Today I believe the heads of some non-profit religions are motivated by such things as power, a lust for money, even a lust for fame. I think power and money can explain some aspects of some non-profit religions very well today. Movies like The Lord of the Rings deal with the idea of religious/political power/values. Even one of the characters in the Harry Potter series said that it wasn't a question of good or evil - it was all about only one thing power.


Power is the endgame. It's a weird thing. I don't get why people would want such power other than due to some severe psychological problems. Even wealth is merely just a quantized measurement of power. Fame is viewed as the same thing as power but if VH1 has taught us anything, you can be very famous still lack any power/wealth though it does help position you better to regain power/wealth in some cases if you work it correctly.


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02 Aug 2010, 5:19 pm

I just never understood how anyone could take Roberts seriously after he claimed God was a terrorist. And if Roberts was so holy and all that, what would be so bad about dying? "Give Me 900 million dollars, or you'll spend eternity in Heaven!" This is a threat??

And what does God need with a starship- er, I mean money, anyway?


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02 Aug 2010, 6:09 pm

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I just never understood how anyone could take Roberts seriously after he claimed God was a terrorist. And if Roberts was so holy and all that, what would be so bad about dying? "Give Me 900 million dollars, or you'll spend eternity in Heaven!" This is a threat??

And what does God need with a starship- er, I mean money, anyway?


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Deacon - Agree with you about Roberts.

Heaven is alway held to be a more desirable place to be than planet earth so why would Oral Roberts want millions of dollars here on earth to prevent a heart attack from taking him right away up to heaven?

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02 Aug 2010, 7:56 pm

pgd wrote:
DeaconBlues wrote:
I just never understood how anyone could take Roberts seriously after he claimed God was a terrorist. And if Roberts was so holy and all that, what would be so bad about dying? "Give Me 900 million dollars, or you'll spend eternity in Heaven!" This is a threat??

And what does God need with a starship- er, I mean money, anyway?


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Deacon - Agree with you about Roberts.

Heaven is alway held to be a more desirable place to be than planet earth so why would Oral Roberts want millions of dollars here on earth to prevent a heart attack from taking him right away up to heaven?

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Obviously because he wanted to bribe St.Peter to let him in.



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02 Aug 2010, 9:17 pm

Perhaps it was a vision or a miracle?


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