Should the Republican Party simply declare it's a religion?

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30 Jul 2010, 9:29 am

Should the Republican Party in the United States simply declare it's a religion in the USA and stop pretending its a political party?

Current or previous ministers of the Republican Party include:

George Bush, Jr. - "Mission Accomplished" - Jesus Christ is Bush, Jr.'s hero (not General George Patton of WWII).

Sarah Palin - Resigned from being Governor of Alaska, promotes a Bible-based interpretation of all USA laws, claims her daughter who had a baby out of wedlock is just a distraction to her basic religious beliefs, is often photographed with guns and American flags in the background



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30 Jul 2010, 9:40 am

Should the United States simply declare itself a Christian Theocracy and stop pretending it's a secular republic? It's 80% Christian anyway.

Current or previous Popes of America Include:
Theodore Roosevelt
Ronald Reagan
George Bush (Both)

So on and so forth.



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30 Jul 2010, 9:55 am

Thandurin wrote:
Should the United States simply declare itself a Christian Theocracy and stop pretending it's a secular republic? It's 80% Christian anyway.

Current or previous Popes of America Include:
Theodore Roosevelt
Ronald Reagan
George Bush (Both)

So on and so forth.


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You've got a good point.

Time to stop pretending the political parties in America are political parties, stop the baloney, and replace flag poles with giant crosses instead starting with the flag above the Capitol building in Washington, D.C. and the White House.

Time for all the born again Christians to come out of the closet and simply declare a Spanish Inquisition in America/a Salem Witchcraft Revival and baptize everyone.

And who could possibly lead such a needed revival of values in America. My choice would be:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Flanders

(...Just kidding a little....)



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30 Jul 2010, 9:57 am

If only there had been an Inquisition in the USA, that rapture cult would have been burned away in auto-da-fes.



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30 Jul 2010, 11:16 am

Mmm...no.

Mainly because its right on economics, right on world events, right on the negatives of big government programs; while it may lack some finesse with military strategy or foreign diplomacy it still seems to 'get' the big picture much more accurately than anyone else.

Now the belief that the rich are a perpetual cash machine, that the so-called oppressed need to have the rich (hard-working job-creating oppressors) broken down to share what they have, that we won't bankrupt our countries with big government handout programs, or if your a believer in liberation theology that Marxism is what Jesus would do and that any amount of lies justifies the means of global and individual equality of monetary/financial outcome regardless of what they put in or what each person needs - THAT in my books is a much better candidate for religion.



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30 Jul 2010, 11:29 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Mmm...no.

Mainly because its right on economics, right on world events, right on the negatives of big government programs; while it may lack some finesse with military strategy or foreign diplomacy it still seems to 'get' the big picture much more accurately than anyone else.

Now the belief that the rich are a perpetual cash machine, that the so-called oppressed need to have the rich (hard-working job-creating oppressors) broken down to share what they have, that we won't bankrupt our countries with big government handout programs, or if your a believer in liberation theology that Marxism is what Jesus would do and that any amount of lies justifies the means of global and individual equality of monetary/financial outcome regardless of what they put in or what each person needs - THAT in my books is a much better candidate for religion.


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techstepgenr8tion - Agree with you. For some reason, the right seems to get the big picture much more accurately, at times, than anyone else.

Once heard that the difference between a Republican and a Democrat was the length of their wish list.

A Republican would have 4 items or less on the wish list.

A Democrat would have 400 items or more on the wish list and still be in the process of making the wish list longer.

Both political parties play important roles (my view).

Often the Democratic party has been characterized as having the ability to adjust a decision made by the Republican party into one which is acceptable to more citizens although the Democratic party adjustment may happen several years after the Republican party decision was made.

That seems to be how part of politics in the USA has worked at times.

That's my understanding.

- pgd



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30 Jul 2010, 12:35 pm

The Republican party has become so inundated with evangelical theology, to many inside and outside the party they might as well be a religious institution. This started out actually with a Democrat, Jimmy Carter. Carter first courted fundamentalist evangelicals when he ran against Ford, but began losing them during his one term, when they regarded his support for the Equal Rights Amendment, support for abortion rights, and other positions to be Anti-Christian. So Ronald Reagan was able to play at being one of them (in truth, Carter was more of a real evangelical as a Southern Baptist - Reagan was raised as an anti-trinitarian Campbellite) and scoop up their support with promises of defeating Roe vs. Wade. And just paying attention to evangelicals went a long way, since after all, prior to this, mainline denominations with their sane, austere worship and beliefs had the most credibility, though they shied away from direct involvement in government. From then on, every Republican presidential candidate, and many if not most Republican politicians in general, began courting the evangelical mullahs on the religious right (Pat Robertson, the late Jerry Falwell, etc.). The Republicans thought they could control them, and keep them at their beck and call. Then something unexpected happened. Evangelicals went from just packing polling places to taking over political conventions and formulating policies - and becoming elected leaders themselves. Even conservative politicians with sensible mainline Christian theologies like John McCaine and George Bush Sr., both with membership in the Episcopal church, found themselves having to mimic religious views they couldn't possibly believe in. Now, the Republican party is dominated by so called "people of faith" - the lunatic fringe dominated by nitwits like Palin and Demint. Those Republicans with secular or mainline Christian beliefs, as well as Non-Christians who refuse to join the maniacs taking control of the asylum, have found themselves shoved more and more into obscurity.
So unfortunately, yes, the Republicans might as well be regarded as the political arm of the evangelical religious right, because without a doubt, that's how more and more of their leadership and members see themselves.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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30 Jul 2010, 1:16 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
The Republican party has become so inundated with evangelical theology, to many inside and outside the party they might as well be a religious institution. This started out actually with a Democrat, Jimmy Carter. Carter first courted fundamentalist evangelicals when he ran against Ford, but began losing them during his one term, when they regarded his support for the Equal Rights Amendment, support for abortion rights, and other positions to be Anti-Christian. So Ronald Reagan was able to play at being one of them (in truth, Carter was more of a real evangelical as a Southern Baptist - Reagan was raised as an anti-trinitarian Campbellite) and scoop up their support with promises of defeating Roe vs. Wade. And just paying attention to evangelicals went a long way, since after all, prior to this, mainline denominations with their sane, austere worship and beliefs had the most credibility, though they shied away from direct involvement in government. From then on, every Republican presidential candidate, and many if not most Republican politicians in general, began courting the evangelical mullahs on the religious right (Pat Robertson, the late Jerry Falwell, etc.). The Republicans thought they could control them, and keep them at their beck and call. Then something unexpected happened. Evangelicals went from just packing polling places to taking over political conventions and formulating policies - and becoming elected leaders themselves. Even conservative politicians with sensible mainline Christian theologies like John McCaine and George Bush Sr., both with membership in the Episcopal church, found themselves having to mimic religious views they couldn't possibly believe in. Now, the Republican party is dominated by so called "people of faith" - the lunatic fringe dominated by nitwits like Palin and Demint. Those Republicans with secular or mainline Christian beliefs, as well as Non-Christians who refuse to join the maniacs taking control of the asylum, have found themselves shoved more and more into obscurity.
So unfortunately, yes, the Republicans might as well be regarded as the political arm of the evangelical religious right, because without a doubt, that's how more and more of their leadership and members see themselves.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


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Bill - Agree 100% with your comments above. Thank you for sharing them. - pgd



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30 Jul 2010, 1:47 pm

Thandurin wrote:
Should the United States simply declare itself a Christian Theocracy and stop pretending it's a secular republic? It's 80% Christian anyway.

Current or previous Popes of America Include:
Theodore Roosevelt
Ronald Reagan
George Bush (Both)

So on and so forth.


It is illegal for the government to establish a church or a religion and it is also illegal for the government to prohibit the practice of a religion --- any religion. That is why the U.S. is far from a theocracy. Is anyone making you keep the Sabbath or donate to a church? Is anyone requiring that to attend services at any church? Is anyone forbidding you from opposition to a religion or public disagreement with a religious view? If not, where is the theocracy? I sure don't see it.

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30 Jul 2010, 2:53 pm

A major portion of the Republican Party isn't religious or is nominally Christian - during elections they tend to lean right to get religious right voters, and occasionally will introduce or pass laws that appeal to them - but the vast majority of the laws they pass are to benefit corporations and lobbyists who support them (as does the Democratic Party). Even the Tea Party movement isn't completely theocratic in nature. Not that there isn't a very vocal and well organised theocratic movement in the United States, it just happens to be a minority, that doesn't have all that much power and I think if it ever did get too much power, there would be a push-back. Most American are Christians, but the theocratic ones are a minority of Christians that freak many mainstream Christians out.

Also, TDR, Reagan and the Bushes aren't theocrats.



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30 Jul 2010, 11:38 pm

I've always been pretty skeptical of the alledged sincerity of religious belief
among many politicians.


I find it difficult to believe that George W. Bush, Tom Delay, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, etc... are as religious as they claim to be.


In fact....I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that they're closet atheists.

Admitted atheists won't get elected dog catcher in Muruka.



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31 Jul 2010, 12:50 am

That might be a good way to dodge the IRS... but then they'd also have to abolish the first amendment instead of just ignoring it.



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31 Jul 2010, 7:29 am

Horus wrote:
I've always been pretty skeptical of the alledged sincerity of religious belief
among many politicians.




Religion has been a tool wielded by politicians from the time of Ancient Greece (at least). For example Socrates was put on trial by means of trumped up charges of impiety. That was about 300 b.c.e. I am sure if you took a time machine to ancient Egypt or Babylon you would see political shannanigans involving religion.

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01 Aug 2010, 1:42 pm

ruveyn wrote:
It is illegal for the government to establish a church or a religion and it is also illegal for the government to prohibit the practice of a religion --- any religion. That is why the U.S. is far from a theocracy. Is anyone making you keep the Sabbath or donate to a church? Is anyone requiring that to attend services at any church? Is anyone forbidding you from opposition to a religion or public disagreement with a religious view? If not, where is the theocracy? I sure don't see it.

ruveyn


And yet there's a small minority (looking at people like Palin for example) who would just love to ignore that little bit of the 1st Amendment there. Turn this place into Christian America.

Christian Reconstructionism runs rampant in some right wing circles.



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01 Aug 2010, 2:07 pm

Quartz11 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
It is illegal for the government to establish a church or a religion and it is also illegal for the government to prohibit the practice of a religion --- any religion. That is why the U.S. is far from a theocracy. Is anyone making you keep the Sabbath or donate to a church? Is anyone requiring that to attend services at any church? Is anyone forbidding you from opposition to a religion or public disagreement with a religious view? If not, where is the theocracy? I sure don't see it.

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And yet there's a small minority (looking at people like Palin for example) who would just love to ignore that little bit of the 1st Amendment there. Turn this place into Christian America.

Christian Reconstructionism runs rampant in some right wing circles.


They are free to have their hopes as long as they do not implement them. Having a bunch of wannabe theocrats does not make the U.S. a theocracy. Legally we are a secular republic, at least for know.

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01 Aug 2010, 2:16 pm

There are christian democrat's, what about them?