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07 Aug 2010, 2:55 pm

Disclaimer: I hesitate a bit at even posting this since I have even some related questions of my own, yet I think this is the kind of thing you have been asking about. Not all of these words are mine:

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The third Temple was Herod’s (the Edomite’s Temple) and will never be rebuilt. YHWH does not, and has not ever dwelt in any structure made with human hands. The book called “Revelation” is a composition and amalgamation of several apocalyptic writings popular at its time. It is strictly metaphorically and should always be understood as such. True Israel has been in the process of being restored since the first century, and that restoration is a spiritual one.

The Greek NT Greek does have some historical value, but I use the same "Bible" Yahshua used as my final authority: the Hebrew Scriptures. Over many years, I have found nothing lacking in the Hebrew Scriptures. In it we can find who we are, how we should live and the key to eternal life. Beyond that, the Greek NT has since been developed into a religion called "Christianity", incorporating many primitive and pagan cultures and customs while shifting toward worship of the messenger (Yahshua) rather than simply hearing the message he brought:

The will of the Father is to keep His Commandments (including the weekly Sabbath). This was the entire Covenant YHWH had with Israel, and this covenant now extends even to non-Israelites wishing to come in among His family. One person cannot die for the sins of another, and neither can the innocent be sacrificed for the guilty. Human sacrifice is pagan.

In ancient times, animals were killed for food and as gifts for gods. Among Hebrews, animals were killed for food and as payments for crimes and violations of the law. In today's age, we still make such payments (or spend time in jail if we cannot pay), but not to gain anyone’s favor.


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07 Aug 2010, 3:02 pm

Harvey or Arthur?


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07 Aug 2010, 3:09 pm

Anyobody can respond, of course, but I had some previous discussion with Arthur in mind.


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07 Aug 2010, 4:46 pm

leejosepho wrote:
Disclaimer: I hesitate a bit at even posting this since I have even some related questions of my own, yet I think this is the kind of thing you have been asking about. Not all of these words are mine:

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The third Temple was Herod’s (the Edomite’s Temple) and will never be rebuilt. YHWH does not, and has not ever dwelt in any structure made with human hands. The book called “Revelation” is a composition and amalgamation of several apocalyptic writings popular at its time. It is strictly metaphorically and should always be understood as such. True Israel has been in the process of being restored since the first century, and that restoration is a spiritual one.

The Greek NT Greek does have some historical value, but I use the same "Bible" Yahshua used as my final authority: the Hebrew Scriptures. Over many years, I have found nothing lacking in the Hebrew Scriptures. In it we can find who we are, how we should live and the key to eternal life. Beyond that, the Greek NT has since been developed into a religion called "Christianity", incorporating many primitive and pagan cultures and customs while shifting toward worship of the messenger (Yahshua) rather than simply hearing the message he brought:

The will of the Father is to keep His Commandments (including the weekly Sabbath). This was the entire Covenant YHWH had with Israel, and this covenant now extends even to non-Israelites wishing to come in among His family. One person cannot die for the sins of another, and neither can the innocent be sacrificed for the guilty. Human sacrifice is pagan.

In ancient times, animals were killed for food and as gifts for gods. Among Hebrews, animals were killed for food and as payments for crimes and violations of the law. In today's age, we still make such payments (or spend time in jail if we cannot pay), but not to gain anyone’s favor.


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http://www.templeinstitute.org/

Has the Greek NT...been developed into a [non-profit, tax-exempt, heretic burning] religion called "Christianity", incorporating many primitive and pagan cultures [think Greek, think Roman] and customs [think Easter] while shifting toward worship of the messenger (Yahshua) rather than simply hearing the message he brought?

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pe ... s_heretics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%92ostre [Eostre]

Did I leave out something about the ritual known as passing the collection plate to pay the religious actors - the ministers - their theatrical salaries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre

http://www.beliefnet.com/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant



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07 Aug 2010, 5:40 pm

Thanks Lee, I don't have time right now to reply properly, I will get back to it later. But from what you and Ruveyn have been saying the idea that Jesus (Joshua) fulfills the prophecies of Isaiah and is therefore the Saviour sent by god, is one manufactured by either omitting from, or adding to the prophecies.

That the guy gave us some good tenants to live our live's by you wont here too much disagreement from me.


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07 Aug 2010, 6:13 pm

leejosepho wrote:
Not all of these words are mine:

Whose words are they?


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07 Aug 2010, 6:41 pm

NobelCynic wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Not all of these words are mine:

Who's words are they?


*Whose


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07 Aug 2010, 7:01 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Whose

Thanks for the correction; I fixed it. I didn't realize that it looked more like a contraction then the possessive form of who.


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08 Aug 2010, 8:07 am

NobelCynic wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Not all of these words are mine:

Whose words are they?


Mostly from a man known as "Yochannan" at an inactive board I used to frequent.


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08 Aug 2010, 8:18 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
... the idea that Jesus (Joshua) fulfills the prophecies of Isaiah and is therefore the Saviour sent by god, is one manufactured by either omitting from, or adding to the prophecies.


Possibly so, and I think that might also have a lot to do with how the word "Saviour" is heard. If the plagues against Egypt and if the Hebrew exodus happened as described in Scripture, and I certainly do believe they did, none of that came about because "Saviour Moshe" had any supernatural qualities.


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