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06 Aug 2010, 10:04 pm

I have done quite of bit of research of Obama (or Nobama ha ha). I know this may not be professionally written but I try to best I can with my limited communication skills...

I had seen the thing on TV where he was selected as president and it showed him and George Bush. I have watch The Obama Decpetion which is a good eye opener. I have watched many Youtube videos were he caught lying. He says one thing and does another.

When I saw him on TV for the first time in January 2008 or 2009 I forget. I wasn't anti or pro Obama becuase I didn'tknow much about him. I thought it was cool becuase he was the first Black President.

But now, it seems that it isn't so cool. During a Skype conversation with a few people that I know last summer, I heard some interesting facts that he wanted to make Canada and Mexico part of the US and it's getting closer and closer to happening. If it does, Obama will learn the hard way not to mess with Canada, becuase no one does, ha ha!

I have scene and heard about him taking away American's rights. I heard he wants to tax everything and that we wants to control what people see and do over the internet. Basically he wants to control everything pretty much and he is slowly making America the worst country ever.

Also why I say that he may be the next antichrist, is becuase of events from the past that are similar to the event of Obama.

A few times in the pasts where people got people attention and got themto agree and follow them, like Hitlar and a couple others which I can't remember their names.

Where they smile and become very friendly around people to get them to accept him, he promised them change but in the end it costed lives of many.

My sister is Pro Obama, and she is like many others, I try to tell her facts but she ignores them becuase she thinks he's cool and everything. Most people refuse to look at both sides, and only look at the facts on the side their on.

I was on no side for Obama but then I slowly became anti-Obama becuase pretty much all the facts point me in that direction.

Here is a few sites that may be interesting:
http://theobamafile.com/

I'll probably add some later becuase right now I'm tired.



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06 Aug 2010, 10:36 pm

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I have watch The Obama Decpetion which is a good eye opener.

No, it's a bunch of raving nonsense.

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I have watched many Youtube videos were he caught lying. He says one thing and does another.

There's a word for people like that. It's "politician."

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he wanted to make Canada and Mexico part of the US and it's getting closer and closer to happening.

Not gonna happen, and no one has even seriously proposed that.

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I have scene and heard about him taking away American's rights.

His record on civil liberties falls short of what I would consider ideal, but he is certainly no worse than Bush.

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I heard he wants to tax everything

Explain then the fact that Obama enacted a tax cut for the overwhelming majority of Americans.

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and that we wants to control what people see and do over the internet. Basically he wants to control everything pretty much and he is slowly making America the worst country ever.

Evidence for any of this?

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Also why I say that he may be the next antichrist, is becuase of events from the past that are similar to the event of Obama.

Now you're venturing from normal right-wing idiocy into just plain crazy (although I admit the line is very hard to discern).

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A few times in the pasts where people got people attention and got themto agree and follow them, like Hitlar and a couple others which I can't remember their names.

How is Obama like Hitler? Their speaking style is not at all similar. Their politics are nothing alike. One of them launched a massive war and genocide, the other has not. One of them was a racial supremacist, the other is not.

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I was on no side for Obama but then I slowly became anti-Obama becuase pretty much all the facts point me in that direction.

You haven't cited facts though, you've cited baseless propaganda, conspiracy theories, and myths. You don't know any of the facts, so you can't say that the facts point you to being anti-Obama.

Now, I know people who are anti-Obama on the facts. There is plenty he has done that is worthy of condemnation (and plenty of stuff he has neglected to do that he should also be condemned for). Why make up ridiculous stories? Why not criticize what's actually wrong with Obama? You can disagree with his policies and think he's a lousy President without claiming that's he's an illegal immigrant Muslim Communist Nazi baby killer. The frothing anti-Obama loons only hurt their cause by displaying their psychosis so flagrantly.


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06 Aug 2010, 10:59 pm

What the hell is the matter with you?

Sigh. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised... but seriously, what the hell?


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06 Aug 2010, 11:05 pm

Wouldn't he be the current anti-christ?


One of the advantages of not believing in the christ is that I don't have to believe in the antichrist either ^^.

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Oh really. I completely forgot about the guys who really believe into that US+Canada+Mexico non-sense, much worse than even the zeitgeist guys, a little bellow the zeta guys.

Oh the fun times, I should spend more time at conspiracy forums.


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06 Aug 2010, 11:26 pm

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One of them launched a massive war and genocide


Yeah but no one is talking about Bush jr.


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06 Aug 2010, 11:29 pm

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Sigh. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised... but seriously, what the hell?



More people believe this trash than is safe.

I'm pretty sure people are just becoming more and more ret*d. Maybe the concept of devo was more than just an art piece?


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06 Aug 2010, 11:58 pm

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Midna wrote:
I have watch The Obama Decpetion which is a good eye opener.

No, it's a bunch of raving nonsense.


I second that. Alex Jones is probably the most incoherent conspiracy theorist after David Icke.

http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articl ... deception/

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he wanted to make Canada and Mexico part of the US and it's getting closer and closer to happening.


Not gonna happen, and no one has even seriously proposed that.


Yup. The first basis for such a union comes from the book "Toward a North American Community" by Robert A Pastor. He's only a professor on US foreign policy. Doesn't have any authority or influence over the government.

The council on foreign relations, on the other hand, suggested a North American Community to 'address shared security threats, challenges to competitiveness, and interest in broad-based development across the three countries by 2010'. Clearly, this did not occur.

Nothing close to a political union. This exists as a clear distortion of facts by conspiracy theorists.



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07 Aug 2010, 12:02 am

skafather84 wrote:
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One of them launched a massive war and genocide


Yeah but no one is talking about Bush jr.

Referring to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan as "genocide" is complete hyperbole. And Bush's wars, disastrous as they were, don't even hold a candle to the devastation Hitler brought, and that was the comparison being made.


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07 Aug 2010, 12:17 am

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Midna wrote:
I have watch The Obama Decpetion which is a good eye opener.

No, it's a bunch of raving nonsense.


I second that. Alex Jones is probably the most incoherent conspiracy theorist after David Icke.

http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articl ... deception/

Actually, your source isn't that great here either. Most of that seems to consist of ridicule (though I concede Jones is worthy of little more), and when he rebuts the claimed death toll in Iraq, he shows that he doesn't understand statistics or else just doesn't bother to read (see top of page 3). I assure you that the epidemiologists from Johns Hopkins knew what they were doing when they carried out their study. The 1000000+ mortality estimate is the best we have right now.


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07 Aug 2010, 12:30 am

Yes, you're right about that. Thanks for pointing it out.



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07 Aug 2010, 1:23 am

Orwell wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
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One of them launched a massive war and genocide


Yeah but no one is talking about Bush jr.

Referring to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan as "genocide" is complete hyperbole. And Bush's wars, disastrous as they were, don't even hold a candle to the devastation Hitler brought, and that was the comparison being made.


Abu Graib (sp?), the torture camps, rendition to third party countries for torture on our behalf but not directly for us, massive civilian casualties, the massive amount of birth defects in areas where they heavily used DU. It doesn't hold a candle because it's not so obvious and so it's a slower process.


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07 Aug 2010, 2:44 am

The republican party = A big bunch of religious nazi pedofiles?


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07 Aug 2010, 3:22 am

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The republican party = A big bunch of religious nazi pedofiles?


Sounds more like the Catholic Church.



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07 Aug 2010, 4:40 am

I'm Christian, and I don't think Obama's the next antiChrist, or the current one... every president of America someone thinks he's "the One." Tis sad. Never mind.



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07 Aug 2010, 6:12 am

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Also why I say that he may be the next antichrist, is becuase of events from the past that are similar to the event of Obama.


Advent? Anyway, the descriptions of the antichrist are so ambiguous that every generation can match them to someone. It's a lot like Nostradamus' prophecies and horoscopes. They are formulated to be vague, but to sound specific. People are amazingly bad at seeing that a match means next to nothing if the false positive rate is high, as it has to be when a description is vague. That is even true for psychology students evaluating what they were told was a personality test: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect.

At the end of the latest Scientific American podcast an interesting statistic was mentioned: 24% of Republican voters believe Obama might be the antichrist, but only 22% believe Obama wants the terrorists to win. That means at least 2% (more if overlap between the two groups is not complete) of Republican voters believe that Obama might be the antichrist, but that he doesn't want the terrorists to win, The antichrist is tricky, see?



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07 Aug 2010, 10:48 am

Who calls for an Aspie fight?