Benny Hinn - Example of a modern day Jesus?

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07 Aug 2010, 5:12 pm

Love him or hate him, the Rev. Benny Hinn appears to have borrowed/copied part of his healing method/healing approach directly from the New Testament of the Bible (my view).

Is the Rev. Benny Hinn perhaps a good example today of a modern day Jesus who can raise people up from the dead to walk...amend to...raise people up from their wheelchairs to walk up on stage and give their verbal testimony how God has just healed them during a God-praising Benny Hinn service?

Benny Hinn studied under the Rev. Kathryn Kuhlman.

http://kathrynkuhlman.com/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/
http://www.beliefnet.com/

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Pro? Neutral? Other?

Experiences?

Anyone ever attend a live Kuhlman or Hinn Christian healing service?

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07 Aug 2010, 5:24 pm

I think Benny Hinn is creepy.
I always thought he was odd on the God channel, and then I watched a documentary on him which basically showed him to be as fake as a psychic (pushing people to make them fall down, screening people to perform 'miracles', using a lot of the money from ministries for private things, making false claims etc).
I think he's a fake.


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07 Aug 2010, 6:03 pm

Benny Hinn IS fake.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI[/youtube]



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07 Aug 2010, 8:49 pm

I think that Benny Hinn is as legitimate as the great spiritual leader Peter Popoff before him if you know what I mean :lol:.



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07 Aug 2010, 10:01 pm

Hint: whenever you watch Benny Hinn, play this theme on the background as it makes most sense:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ[/youtube]


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08 Aug 2010, 8:10 am

Cheeseroyale34 wrote:
I think that Benny Hinn is as legitimate as the great spiritual leader Peter Popoff before him if you know what I mean :lol:.


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09 Aug 2010, 12:52 am

Of course he's a modern day jesus.

A charlatan is a charlatan is a charlatan...And it doesn't matter if they believe their own balderdash or not.



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09 Aug 2010, 7:05 am

Isn't this the guy who had a vision where God told him that he needs a new private jet and then solicited donations for it?
Smarter than Jesus - Jesus got himself crucified - this guy got himself a million dollar scam.



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09 Aug 2010, 8:18 am

Jesus had no place to lay His head, when He died He only had one coat, and the fanciest form of transport He ever had was a donkey. Benny Hinn's the exact opposite of that... no he's not a modern day Jesus. He's the kind of person who cries "Lord, Lord," but doesn't know a thing about Jesus. When the day comes, unless he repents, Jesus is going to look at him and say, "I never knew you. Get away from me you worker of evil."



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09 Aug 2010, 9:21 am

Celoneth wrote:
Isn't this the guy who had a vision where God told him that he needs a new private jet and then solicited donations for it?
Smarter than Jesus - Jesus got himself crucified - this guy got himself a million dollar scam.


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For some reason I suspect more than one TV evangelist has said something like God told him/her in a dream/vision/whatever that God wanted the evangelist to have a brand new jet to preach the gospel around the world more efficiently and the easiest way to do that was to ask for a love offering/love gift from the TV viewers.

As I recall, Benny Hinn justified his love for weath based on what he saw the Pope of Italy do, that is, the Pope was always flying around in a jet to visit countries to solicit more customers/raise money for Rome. Benny Hinn went so far to say if the Pope of Italy can live in marble houses and fly around on a private jet, so can Benny.

Benny also said the jet Benny wanted for his ministry was much smaller than the large jet the Pope used (the jet the Pope uses to say that all rumors about child crimes and the Vatican are only idle wives' gossip at best/whatever).

Question:

Who will be the first USA TV evangelist to purchase a used Air Force One, give it a new paint job, and convert it to a non-profit jet in the sky?

At least one TV evangelist (John Hagee, Texas) has a religious headquarters which looks like a scaled down model of the White House.

Is it time for these TV evangelists to think big - bigger jets, more luxury, more gold, more silver, more precious stones,more jewelry, more solicitations of love offerings from viewers and so on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_One

(...just kidding a little about Air Force One, not the other stuff...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

http://www.beliefnet.com/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf



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09 Aug 2010, 9:37 am

mgran wrote:
Jesus had no place to lay His head, when He died He only had one coat, and the fanciest form of transport He ever had was a donkey. Benny Hinn's the exact opposite of that... no he's not a modern day Jesus. He's the kind of person who cries "Lord, Lord," but doesn't know a thing about Jesus. When the day comes, unless he repents, Jesus is going to look at him and say, "I never knew you. Get away from me you worker of evil."


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Does much of how the gospels portray Jesus Christ simply not match the rich and famous lifestyles of some of his high profile non-profit, tax-exempt followers like the Rev. Benny "I need a new jet to preach the gospel now" Hinn and the child crime hiding Pope "Rumors about child crimes committed by ministers of the Italian Catholic Church are only idle wives' gossip at best" of Rome? Yes (my view).

Hundreds of years ago, an Italian comedian by the name of Dante figured out a lot of the double standards involved with non-profit, tax-exempt religions based in Italy and wrote several books about it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante_Alighieri

History repeats itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment

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09 Aug 2010, 11:15 am

The Gospels reveal that Jesus was hardly concerned for money at all; in fact, He had a sharp disdain for it. Jesus advocated more for His followers to subject themselves to poverty since poverty removed many of those things which would have been distractions from spiritual focus.

Jesus is not unique in this wisdom. Buddha, for instance, was the son of a wealthy ruler and an heir. His change of heart didn't happen until he met with the "unpleasantness" his father tried to protect him from. He discovered the "middle way" after a period of harsh self-deprivation, and the "middle way" of moderation was what he taught his disciples. Basically, it's the idea of surviving on what the body needs, having the discipline to avoid excesses, and focus on survival in order to discern "Truth." I mean, if you look at the Noble Eightfold Path from a universal perspective, there is very little (none that I can think of) that Jesus didn't cover, and neither the Eightfold Path nor Jesus' teachings have anything at all to say regarding the accumulation of wealth.

I mean, you almost have to wonder if Jesus was just some ordinary guy if He'd been influenced by early adherents to Buddhism. I'm sure it's possible, but I doubt its likelihood. It depends on how widespread Buddha's teachings were in the Near East within 400 or 500 years of his teachings.

The thing that sets Jesus apart from Buddhism, or any religion for that matter, is that He is the answer to all of life's questions. Let's say we analyze the Gospel according to the Eightfold Path:

1. Right View: The right view is the fallen nature of all humanity. God has provided a means of universal atonement through Jesus, guaranteeing eternal life for all who believe.

2. Right Intention: All believers are to be motivated by God's purpose, denying our own self-centered, self-motivated desires.

3. Right Speech: All believers are to encourage each other to do what is right and to rebuke each other when we are in the wrong. We are to show God's compassion to the rest of the world and invite them to join us in our faith.

4. Right Action: All believers are to help each other and the rest of the world by healing the sick, feeding the hungry, meeting the needs of the poor, and so on.

5. Right livelihood: In short, believers are not to engage in work practices that are seen as unethical or harmful in any kind of emotional, physical, financial, or other way. The OT, for instance, forbids loaning money or other goods and charging interests to your own people, and even forgives debt after a specified period of time. How much better it is to provide goods and services expecting nothing in return, but rest in knowing that help will come if you yourself should ever need it. Further, believers ought not engage in businesses or trades that violate God's commandments. The message of the Gospel is peace, not war (though the message inherently brings conflict). If everyone believed and engaged in fair and equitable trade practices seeking to resolve or even avoid any economic or political conflict, what need would there even be for weapons and war? By choosing a livelihood that seeks to glorify God, one solves what I see as perhaps one of the most difficult items on the Eightfold Path.

6. Right effort: This means purging one's self and mind of all harmful thoughts and intents. A believer may do this by careful scriptural study and prayer.

7. Right mindfulness: For the believer, this is discipline over thinking and emotion. One should carefully consider what he says by first understanding that the believer is a spokesman for God. Do your thoughts, words, and feelings accurately express how God wishes Himself to be understood? When we speak our mind, do we lead others to a better understanding of God's true intent? Or do thoughtless words and actions obscure God's work in us? Nothing we say should be an accident. If our hearts and minds are guided by God's Spirit, then we ought to speak freely in faith that the Spirit is speaking through us. But if it is we who are speaking and not the Spirit, we must be careful that we are understood, making are words and deeds consistent with this and the other steps of the Eightfold Path (and Christ's teachings).

8. Right concentration: The believer's source of information is the Bible, and seeking reliable teachers in Biblical instruction aids in understanding. As I've mentioned in other threads, the Bible I'm reading through includes wonderful study notes that help show the historical and cultural context surrounding various passages. Some study Bibles may have devotions, articles, biographical information on various theologians, philosophers, and other writers which help the reader understand the background of various doctrinal points that may not be available to an ordinary "straight" Bible translation. The King Jimmy you'll find in hotel rooms placed by the Gideons is a beautiful translation, but it won't help you get past the irrelevancy of the king's words and phrases to modern-day language, nor does it solve the difficulties of idiomatic translation of Greek and Hebrew figures of speech into English. It also won't aid in an understanding or comparison of ancient manuscripts. Depending on the believer, such an in-depth understanding of may not be necessary. But at the same time, that won't lead to a decent understanding of what Moses, the writers, and the prophets MEANT when they wrote down inspired words. By delving into the "facts" of Hebrew practice and early Christian practice, one gains a thorough knowledge of the Bible and what it means to believe.

Legit knowledge and wisdom can come from any source, especially in the context of how the Eightfold Path can be applied to Christian life. This is valuable to any believer, and it's not the first or only time it's ever been done. Consider the Proverbs of the Old Testament. Some small portions of the Proverbs are copied almost directly from an Egyptian source that predated Solomon. The reason is obvious: Solomon married an Egyptian princess and was aware of Egyptian wisdom writings. Since we believe all true knowledge and wisdom is sourced from God, whether we recognize God as the true Source or not, there is no blasphemy in borrowing wisdom from other sources. What is important is that the wisdom is consistent with scripture.

Thus the overlaps between Jesus and Buddha.

And I'm sure with a little digging, you can find other teachers from a variety of other religions and philosophies that shared the attitude of poverty and even its value.

"Prosperity" teaching of Hinn, Copland, and others is contrary to the Bible. They are pseudo-Christians and pseudo-Christs. If the Bible proves that God blesses all with wealth and power, then how do you explain the contrast between the book of the Proverbs which admonishes the seeker in the ways of accumulating and maintaining wealth and the book of Ecclesiastes which focuses on the fleeting nature and essential worthlessness of it? You can't ignore one book of the Bible for another, and any teacher or "prophet" (using that term loosely) who fails to present teachings that provide a balance between the two is a false teacher. And, by the way, the Bible tells us how to recognize false prophets: They make predictions that don't come true. The writers of prophetic OT books and the NT book of Revelation did not stamp a date on the end of the world. Why? God did not wish to make that known. What they DID write about were prophecies that are now known to have been fulfilled, thus we may trust their future unfulfilled prophecies. According to Watch Tower, Jesus returned in 1914 invisibly. The contradicts the teaching that Jesus' return will be made known to ALL people. Further, they and others have made predictions that are known to have failed. Hence those predictions define them as false prophets. I can't speak for Witnesses, but I do know that prosperity teachers have a LONG reputation of seeking wealth for themselves drawn from their devotees. It's a big, greasy, slimy business. I believe most congregations distance themselves from these beliefs and practices, and Benny Hinn should NOT be considered as representative of Christianity as a whole.



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09 Aug 2010, 1:25 pm

AngelRho wrote (in part): The Gospels reveal that Jesus was hardly concerned for money at all; in fact, He had a sharp disdain for it. Jesus advocated more for His followers to subject themselves to poverty since poverty removed many of those things which would have been distractions from spiritual focus. Jesus is not unique in this wisdom. Buddha, for instance, was the son of a wealthy ruler and an heir...Thus the overlaps between Jesus and Buddha...
"Prosperity" teaching of Hinn, Copland, and others is contrary to the Bible. They are pseudo-Christians and pseudo-Christs. I believe most congregations distance themselves from these beliefs and practices, and Benny Hinn should NOT be considered as representative of Christianity as a whole...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pe ... s_heretics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf

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09 Aug 2010, 6:29 pm

He can't turn water into wine, he doesn't preform these miracles without asking for a donation. Jesus gave freely,Jesus also comes to bring peace to the world. Mr Hinn has been a preacher for many decades, is the world peaceful? (There are two major conflicts being fought right now). Jesus also promises to bring IMMORTALITY and Rejuvination to his followers what about the elderly in Hinn's congregation?

And in Jesus' world the First shall be last. The last shall be first, with Hinn the "messiah", there is great income disparity. With homeless rising, and corporations flourishing. They are even publishing the second chapter to the personification of greed "Gordon Gecko". In the 80s hit classic "Wall Street", Gecko was a embodiment of Greed."Greed is Good". Where he preaches this mantra to a group of yuppie spawn again. Yet many Americans are starving.

Jesus also resurrects the dead, Binny Hinn can't.



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10 Aug 2010, 12:17 am

Jesus broke people's noses as he healed them???



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10 Aug 2010, 2:05 am

Interesting post angelrho. Maybe Jesus and Buddha were just both in touch with the same spiritual source. I agree that prosperity preaching is wrong, I once saw a youtube debate between a new york pastor working in poor black areas and fans on Joyce Meyer, he was saying she was greedy and wasteful, they were saying, well if she didnt charge us thousands for seminars we'd only use the money to go to the south of france, we deserve a holiday. Christianity is socialist imo.

PS i had a friend on an ex pentecostal forum who had a scary experience with benny hinn. he touched him with a blank look on his face and felt horrible and like an electric shock, knocked him over. Then his church scolded him for not enjoying it and said he should have been more accepting to God and it would have felt good.