The Americans Are Trying Hard To Take Credit For The Arab sp

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The Americans Are Trying Hard To Take Credit For The Arab Spring

First came the Gene Sharp affair, where supposedly an American philospher’s ideas strongly influenced the demonstrators in Egypt. That article was widely mocked by Arab bloggers and activists everywhere.

Now the New York Times (again) has an article about how some American NGOs and think tanks “trained” Arabs on using tools like Facebook and twitter to protest. I can’t think of anything that can be more insulting than that. The only credit the Americans deserve is for inventing Google, Facebook, wordpress and twitter, tools that if you’re motivated enough you can learn, master and teach on your own.

http://beirutspring.com/blog/2011/04/16 ... ab-spring/

The CIA would jump on any opportunity to get involved in something like that if they had the chance, but I personally don't think that the west should lay any claim to this because they will regret it once militants more interested in jihad than oil rise to power and the arabs revert back to their default state and behave savagely.

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When the French captured Jerusalem they slaughtered every inhabitant they could find.
When the Saracens captured Jerusalem they allowed people to leave.

Arabs are no more savage than any other human.
Humans behave savagely at default.

Your so-called Arab Spring may yet turn out to be an American Nightmare.

ruveyn

What could possibly go wrong?

Al Quaeda and The Brotherhood win the marbles.

ruveyn

I won't argue the "it's either dictatorship or the Qaeda rule in the middle-east" myth.

And the brotherhood are moderate compared to Al Qaeda, they're not the same, they do share a lot of common views but not exactly the same hostile policy toward unbelievers.

But anyways, it's not necessarily that Brotherhood's rule will be an American Nightmare, if Brotherhood had proven that they make the majority of the Egyptian people then this will be a fact that we have to accept, suppressing them with a so-called secular regime won't help in decreasing the islamic terrorism but it will ignite it even more.

In the contrary, for the US, it would be much easier to deal with radical Sunnite Islam with a head than dealing with a headless radical Sunnite Islam .

That's why dealing with Radical Shiite Islam is much easier than dealing with the current Radical Sunna because the highest authority of Radical Shiite is known and not undercover.

I suppose we can take credit for it in some ironic type of way. Our propping up of these torturous middle eastern dictatorships certainly plays a big factor in their current unrest. I think it's pretty naive as well to think that these supposed "democracy" movements are democratic or friendly to west. If another Islamist dictatorship in the model of Iran shall rise from this "Arab Spring", it will be a direct consequence of our interfering in their affairs in the first place.

Its childish to always blame America for all the problems in the Muslim world. Its a distraction used to never self criticize your own actions. Its conveniant to blame a Superpower for all your problems, but they never want to acknowledge the cultural tradition of bedouin value systems, the desire for monarchs based off that system, and the heritage of the Islamic world with its non-western style of governmental design where religion and state are intertwined, and their is no real secular justice system. It gets old after a while....they blame us if Mubarak is in power, they blame us for any and all problems...sheesh..i remember after the earthquake in Indonesia, our US naval soldiers handed out clothes and food to people wearing shirts with Osama bin Laden on it! Frankly, I could care less what the Arabs/Muslims think..we have to do whats in the best interest of the United States..if they are so concerned, they can deal with it themselves in their own countries. Let them grow up and be responsible adults, like we in the far superior advanced society of the US are.

I read the NY Times article and am curious which passage the author of this blog finds so offensive in any sense, though I'd especially be interested in the bit about some group taking "credit" highlighted. Quite frankly, when I read something like this:



I have to question if either you or the author of this blog piece actually bothered to even read the article. First is a direct quote stating that this was "their revolution," and second is a quote from an Egyptian noting that what he learned did in fact help. Not only does your claim appear unsupported from what you point to as evidence, it is, as best I can tell, contradicted.

I find it hard to believe all that Al Jazeera coverage of Sadam Hussein's statue being toppled or Afghani beauty pageants after those governments were toppled by primarily American forces had nothing to do with this Arab Spring. Credit should go to the people of course. But the world around them has to have some influence.

When was the last time you heard an American politician admit an error? At best you get something akin to the currently weaseling from President Obama on raising the debt ceiling, which he was against as a senator but now favors as president. And at worst you have, oh, just about every action undertaken by former VP Cheney, a man who seems to live in a bubble of his own making, one where empirical fact means nothing and the ideology of the true believer reigns supreme.



I quite agree, actually. I might have a different opinion on the matter if the USA were not the most bankrupt nation in the history of the planet, but the harsh reality is that whether or not we care what they think, we need to drop this fairy tale sprinkled with pixie dust that is our current foreign policy, and face the harsh reality that we simply cannot afford to meddle in the affairs of others any longer.



Just out of curiousity, what percentage of America do you think has grown up to be a "responsible adult?"

Saladin, the one behind the "allow[ing] people to leave" bit, was not an Arab. He was a Kurd.