Whats the Tea party about then?
They believe that the Obama Administration is attacking the constitution by over-spending. They are critical of tax increases and want reduced spending.
Of course they are consisting of disgruntled people. Such movements are always consisting of disgruntled people, whether the movements themselves are right-wing or left-wing. Then, people often have a case to be disgruntled.
They are people mad about the banks and business screwing them over. Their solution to this is to relax regulation. I am sure big business is saying "Holy s**t! They want us to do it again, but this time its going be even easier!"
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The constitution has been under attack for more than a 100 years by both of the major parties.
The Tea Party isn't one group or really organized at all. The views can differ wildly from group to group. The basic principles most support to my understanding are limited government, cutting spending, cutting taxes, adhering to the constitution, free markets, and addressing the 13 trillion dollar national debt.
The constitution has been under attack for more than a 100 years by both of the major parties.
The Tea Party isn't one group or really organized at all. The views can differ wildly from group to group. The basic principles most support to my understanding are limited government, cutting spending, cutting taxes, adhering to the constitution, free markets, and addressing the 13 trillion dollar national debt.
If I would have lived in America, I would have viewed the 20th century as a century which generally has been good in terms of upholding the consitution (female suffrage, civil rights, more tolerance towards minorities, women and disabled people).
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According to their website,
Mission Statement
The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.
Core Values
* Fiscal Responsibility
* Constitutionally Limited Government
* Free Markets
Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.
Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states' rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.
Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government's interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.
Our Philosophy
Tea Party Patriots, Inc. as an organization believes in the Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, and Free Markets. Tea Party Patriots, Inc. is a non-partisan grassroots organization of individuals united by our core values derived from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill Of Rights as explained in the Federalist Papers. We recognize and support the strength of grassroots organization powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. We hold that the United States is a republic conceived by its architects as a nation whose people were granted "unalienable rights" by our Creator. Chiefly among these are the rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Tea Party Patriots stand with our founders, as heirs to the republic, to claim our rights and duties which preserve their legacy and our own. We hold, as did the founders, that there exists an inherent benefit to our country when private property and prosperity are secured by natural law and the rights of the individual.
http://www.teapartypatriots.org/Mission.aspx
According to their website,
Mission Statement
The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.
Core Values
* Fiscal Responsibility
* Constitutionally Limited Government
* Free Markets
Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.
Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states' rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.
Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government's interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.
Our Philosophy
Tea Party Patriots, Inc. as an organization believes in the Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, and Free Markets. Tea Party Patriots, Inc. is a non-partisan grassroots organization of individuals united by our core values derived from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill Of Rights as explained in the Federalist Papers. We recognize and support the strength of grassroots organization powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. We hold that the United States is a republic conceived by its architects as a nation whose people were granted "unalienable rights" by our Creator. Chiefly among these are the rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Tea Party Patriots stand with our founders, as heirs to the republic, to claim our rights and duties which preserve their legacy and our own. We hold, as did the founders, that there exists an inherent benefit to our country when private property and prosperity are secured by natural law and the rights of the individual.
http://www.teapartypatriots.org/Mission.aspx
Hey keet, you dont really count yourself among their membership right? I notice you didnt put forth a personal opinion, but addressed just the facts.
Where do you fit politically?
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Unfortunately, the market in the U.S. has never been a Free Market even since the founding of the Republic. Slavery was legally protected by the Constitution of 1787. So much for a free market in labor. The Constitution also gave the U.S. central government a monopoly on the delivery and distribution of mail. Even unto this day, the U.S. Postal Service has an exclusive claim on the use of the mail box which you purchased with your own money. No one else is allowed to use it. That is why mailboxes on posts standing in front of houses has a curved hook for newspaper to be placed. You local newspaper is not allowed to place the paper -inside- the mail box.
The U.S. government through a rather perverse interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause has hegemony over the buying and selling of goods and services interstate. One cannot make or sell medical drugs or instruments without being licensed by the U.S. government. The FDA act is justified on the currently accepted interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause.
Freedom! It is wonderful! Too bad we have so little of it.
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When I ask free market proselytizers to point to any time in history where there was a functioning free market, they usually change the subject. "Free markets" is a idealized concept, never realized. Because a genuine free market has never existed, there is no evidence that free markets are actually better. So the insistence that we should have free markets is advocating an unproven conjecture.
When I ask free market proselytizers to point to any time in history where there was a functioning free market, they usually change the subject. "Free markets" is a idealized concept, never realized. Because a genuine free market has never existed, there is no evidence that free markets are actually better. So the insistence that we should have free markets is advocating an unproven conjecture.
The evidence that mixed economies work better than command economies is rife and plentiful. Look at the downfall of the command economies of Russia and China. Also see how the North Koreans are doing with a purely government run economy. The people there are lean, mean and rather hungry.
Mixed economies, i.e. economies with a significant market component are bound to work better than centrally planned economies. That is because invest and allocation decisions are somewhat decentralized. The combinatorics of a modern industrial economy are far beyond the capabilities of centralized command and control. Forget ideology and just look at the sheer number of permutations and combinations of allocations, investments and trade transactions. A working industrial economy is far beyond the capabilities of programmers and economic modelers.
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The evidence that mixed economies work better than command economies is rife and plentiful. Look at the downfall of the command economies of Russia and China. Also see how the North Koreans are doing with a purely government run economy. The people there are lean, mean and rather hungry.
Mixed economies, i.e. economies with a significant market component are bound to work better than centrally planned economies. That is because invest and allocation decisions are somewhat decentralized. The combinatorics of a modern industrial economy are far beyond the capabilities of centralized command and control. Forget ideology and just look at the sheer number of permutations and combinations of allocations, investments and trade transactions. A working industrial economy is far beyond the capabilities of programmers and economic modelers.
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All true.
I think the key here is the term 'mixed'. Free Market purists refuse to admit that there has always been a balance between rigid central control and completely unregulated commerce. The efforts of policy makers should be towards finding the balance most effective for the problems at hand, not towards implementing an idealized version of theories.
The Tea party movement is funded by billionaires who want to hold on to their money and not face responsibility for their multi-billion dollar conglomerate's transgressions against the people and the environment and they don't want lose a cent of their billions that they inherited from their daddy* to taxes.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010 ... fact_mayer
“The Kochs operate oil refineries in Alaska, Texas, and Minnesota, and control some four thousand miles of pipeline. Koch Industries owns Brawny paper towels, Dixie cups, Georgia-Pacific lumber, Stainmaster carpet, and Lycra, among other products. Forbes ranks it as the second-largest private company in the country, after Cargill, and its consistent profitability has made David and Charles Koch—who, years ago, bought out two other brothers—among the richest men in America. Their combined fortune of thirty-five billion dollars is exceeded only by those of Bill Gates and Warren Buffett."
“The Kochs are longtime libertarians who believe in drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, minimal social services for the needy, and much less oversight of industry—especially environmental regulation. These views dovetail with the brothers’ corporate interests. In a study released this spring, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States. And Greenpeace issued a report identifying the company as a ‘kingpin of climate science denial.’ The report showed that, from 2005 to 2008, the Kochs vastly outdid ExxonMobil in giving money to organizations fighting legislation related to climate change, underwriting a huge network of foundations, think tanks, and political front groups. Indeed, the brothers have funded opposition campaigns against so many Obama Administration policies—from health-care reform to the economic-stimulus program—that, in political circles, their ideological network is known as the Kochtopus.”
*Who also was pretty well off being the son of the owner of a regional newspaper.
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Where do you fit politically?
I have preferred the Constitution Party previously, but I realize that with the American all-or-nothing voting system the closest I can get to voting for them would be the Republican party, still, which is unfortunate because there are so many RINOs in the Republican party but it seems they are the only possibility for voting my particular conscience with any chance of having my vote count for anything.
They believe that the Obama Administration is attacking the constitution by over-spending. They are critical of tax increases and want reduced spending.
But by their same argument, our present Social Security system is also unconstitutional. Having a minimum wage could also be considered unconstitutional. If they want to interpret the constitution so rigidly we might as well go back to the way things were in the 19th century. Life was much less forgiving back then.