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iamnotaparakeet
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04 Oct 2010, 7:31 am

Let's play the Blame Game! Everything we ought to be responsible for is the fault of somebody else!

Obama, your economics stink, so who do you blame? "George Bush I choose you!! !!"



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04 Oct 2010, 8:00 am

To deny the impact of Bush's policies on the current situation is to ignore the flow of history. You need to go back decades or more to even begin to grasp the current trajectory of this country. If Obama is making a mistake, it is that he should be looking not only to Bush's policy decisions, but to predecessors going back at least a generation.



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04 Oct 2010, 8:26 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
To deny the impact of Bush's policies on the current situation is to ignore the flow of history. You need to go back decades or more to even begin to grasp the current trajectory of this country. If Obama is making a mistake, it is that he should be looking not only to Bush's policy decisions, but to predecessors going back at least a generation.


During the end of Bush's second term, it was called his fault, and Obama and his braindead followers have perpetuated it. But yes, you could always go backward in time to find more people to blame for ones own incompetency.



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04 Oct 2010, 8:27 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
To deny the impact of Bush's policies on the current situation is to ignore the flow of history. You need to go back decades or more to even begin to grasp the current trajectory of this country. If Obama is making a mistake, it is that he should be looking not only to Bush's policy decisions, but to predecessors going back at least a generation.


And to deny the liberalization of loans for homes which took place under the late Bill Clinton administration is also denial. Every president since Woodrow Wilson has a part in the current economic malaise.

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04 Oct 2010, 8:27 am

This should be made into a game in the off the wall section! My router just screwed up, I'm lookin' at you here Bush! :twisted:



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04 Oct 2010, 8:44 am

ruveyn wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
To deny the impact of Bush's policies on the current situation is to ignore the flow of history. You need to go back decades or more to even begin to grasp the current trajectory of this country. If Obama is making a mistake, it is that he should be looking not only to Bush's policy decisions, but to predecessors going back at least a generation.


And to deny the liberalization of loans for homes which took place under the late Bill Clinton administration is also denial. Every president since Woodrow Wilson has a part in the current economic malaise.

ruveyn


Don't you know though? George Bush Jr. went back in time and caused Wilson his problems?



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04 Oct 2010, 8:56 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
During the end of Bush's second term, it was called his fault, and Obama and his braindead followers have perpetuated it. But yes, you could always go backward in time to find more people to blame for ones own incompetency.


Obama is brain dead?

I like how you perpetuate inflammatory rhetoric but also expect your opinion to be taken seriously. Unless I am mistaken and you just like the feeling you get when you spew.



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04 Oct 2010, 9:11 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
During the end of Bush's second term, it was called his fault, and Obama and his braindead followers have perpetuated it. But yes, you could always go backward in time to find more people to blame for ones own incompetency.


Obama is brain dead?

I like how you perpetuate inflammatory rhetoric but also expect your opinion to be taken seriously. Unless I am mistaken and you just like the feeling you get when you spew.


Why ought I to be treated as a special case? Sand is permitted to do the same. RedHarrananan, et al, yet I am getting flak for doing likewise.

And yes, Obama might as well be brain dead, or rather just a voice recorder, for all the effect he's worth as a president.

Do you like the feeling you get when you spew implied insults at other members of this forum?



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04 Oct 2010, 9:21 am

ruveyn wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
To deny the impact of Bush's policies on the current situation is to ignore the flow of history. You need to go back decades or more to even begin to grasp the current trajectory of this country. If Obama is making a mistake, it is that he should be looking not only to Bush's policy decisions, but to predecessors going back at least a generation.


And to deny the liberalization of loans for homes which took place under the late Bill Clinton administration is also denial. Every president since Woodrow Wilson has a part in the current economic malaise.

ruveyn


I think it can be traced back more recently than that. Reagan was the one who threw the necessary model for responsible taxation out the window and no one has ever dared return taxes back to the pre-Reagan levels since his time. It creates a necessary for constant deficit spending, hoping that the gamble will continue to pay off rather than treating the fiat money the way it's supposed to be treated through effective taxation. I think the current monetary system is better but only so long as you work within the defined parameters as to how the money functions. It's certainly a lot better than the gold standard.


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04 Oct 2010, 10:03 am

Iamnotaparkeet's broad and unspecific assertion that "Obama's economics stink" for some unknown reason (when, if one looks at what Obama's doing instead of vomitting out ultraconservative ideological nonsense, one would realize pretty much ever other developed naton is doing it) is comedic.

The catalyst for the economic crisis started when Jimmy Carter began the neoliberalization of fiscal policy - deregulation. Ronald Reagan exaccerbated it and the stagnation of wages meant that people needed credit for the economy to go along functioning. This debt economy led to a bubble economy. The primary fault is on Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bush Sr., Bill Clinton, and Bush Jr.



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04 Oct 2010, 10:08 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_KOEypp3zQ[/youtube]



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04 Oct 2010, 10:38 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Why ought I to be treated as a special case? Sand is permitted to do the same. RedHarrananan, et al, yet I am getting flak for doing likewise.


Just because I haven't yet called them out on it doesn't mean I won't

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Do you like the feeling you get when you spew implied insults at other members of this forum?


You feel insulted? I was pointing to your rhetorical style. You can take it personally if you wish. Besides, if you present yourself as rational but use emotional buzzwords I'm supposed just accept the contradiction?



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04 Oct 2010, 11:24 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Why ought I to be treated as a special case? Sand is permitted to do the same. RedHarrananan, et al, yet I am getting flak for doing likewise.


It's greatly ironic to see the master fallacy spotter committing a rather elementary fallacy of "Two Wrongs Make a Right".

And, um, if you actually read the Soviet thread RedHarrananan is getting A LOT of flak from Orwell and Dox47.

As for Sand, he has wit. You don't. My suggestion is don't quit your day job to troll.

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And yes, Obama might as well be brain dead, or rather just a voice recorder, for all the effect he's worth as a president.


I'd really like to see an iamnotaparkeet presidency. When unemployment hits 60% due to a fanatical attempt to reduce the debt and cut all gov't services, the first ever successful rebellion to depose a President in the US would occur.



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04 Oct 2010, 11:32 am

For those interested in facts rather then F grade trolling:


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -promises/

If one looks at a lot of the promises Obama hasn't kept, it turns out his tendency to compromise with the GOP or let them stall his legislation is the REAL problem.



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04 Oct 2010, 11:43 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
If one looks at a lot of the promises Obama hasn't kept, it turns out his tendency to compromise with the GOP or let them stall his legislation is the REAL problem.


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt139557.html

^Doesn't help.


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04 Oct 2010, 4:33 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
To deny the impact of Bush's policies on the current situation is to ignore the flow of history. You need to go back decades or more to even begin to grasp the current trajectory of this country. If Obama is making a mistake, it is that he should be looking not only to Bush's policy decisions, but to predecessors going back at least a generation.

During the end of Bush's second term, it was called his fault, and Obama and his braindead followers have perpetuated it. But yes, you could always go backward in time to find more people to blame for ones own incompetency.

The "Thinking Allowed" podcast from 22 September provides an interesting perspective: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ta. It is not political, and I don't remember either Bush or Obama being mentioned.