If i was NT and a celebrity i would believe in god

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13 Nov 2010, 1:26 pm

My emotional neurons would take hold and the good seratonin and dopamine would override my logic and i would believe in God, i would be happy for the person i was.



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13 Nov 2010, 2:28 pm

You have every right to believe or not believe what you want to believe, but you have no right to mock the belief choices of others. The truth is, you don't KNOW that God does not exist any more than someone of faith can KNOW he does. Both beliefs are based in an element of faith, but neither can be scientifically proven. My AS son has used logic to conclude that God probably exists; just because your logic concludes otherwise, does not mean his is flawed. If there was only one logical path to most choices and beliefs in modern society this PPR board would be incredibly quiet. Since it is not, one can conclude that logic as a process actually has a subjective element. Meaning - to say that anyone applying logic can never reach conclusion B is ridiculous.


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13 Nov 2010, 3:18 pm

so being a nt and a celebality=beliving in God? Or is it nescearry to add your personality in the mix?


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13 Nov 2010, 3:31 pm

You actually would probably be an atheist anyways.

I am on the Spectrum and I believe in God, I happen to know me being diagnosed has helped other people whom entered the public school systems after me get the help they needed for their disabilities cause the teachers that had me in their classrooms got those students and could tell that they were probably also ADHD. (I wasn't diagnosed with the Autism part till college).

Maybe that was one of the reasons I was born.



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13 Nov 2010, 3:42 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
You have every right to believe or not believe what you want to believe, but you have no right to mock the belief choices of others.

Why not? I mean, there are a lot of people who would mock political beliefs they disagree with. There are a lot of people who will mock the superstitions of others, such as black cats and all. Why not religion?

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The truth is, you don't KNOW that God does not exist any more than someone of faith can KNOW he does.

I entirely disagree with you. If you want to go through the arguments for and against the existence of God, I am entirely willing to do this at length and in depth.

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Both beliefs are based in an element of faith, but neither can be scientifically proven.

Scientific proof isn't what you think it is. That being said, it also isn't the gold standard in philosophical argumentation. But rather, the real issue is simply whether a close examination of the argumentation does lead to a particular conclusion. I clearly think it does lead to the conclusion that God does not exist.

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My AS son has used logic to conclude that God probably exists; just because your logic concludes otherwise, does not mean his is flawed.

Actually, yes, yes it does. :P

More seriously though, if our logics are different, then there is a very good reason to think that one person is right and the other wrong. Two people cannot disagree on a specific proposition and both be right, as that violates the law of non-contradiction. The best effort you could move towards is just to say that priors may be different, and that different priors will lead to different conclusions based upon the use of logic from these priors. (priors are basically the assumptions you start out with)

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If there was only one logical path to most choices and beliefs in modern society this PPR board would be incredibly quiet. Since it is not, one can conclude that logic as a process actually has a subjective element. Meaning - to say that anyone applying logic can never reach conclusion B is ridiculous.

Actually, no. You see, here's how PPR works:
There is everybody else, and they have all their opinions, which are wrong.
Then there is me, who is always right.
PPR is in part a process where I, the person who is always right, beat down everybody else, if their opinions are wrong.

That being said, many people do misuse logic, so I can criticize your argument on those grounds, as you didn't prevent another logical and very possible conclusion.



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13 Nov 2010, 3:45 pm

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Maybe that was one of the reasons I was born.

No, the reason why you were born is because your dad either didn't use a condom, or that condom broke.

That being said, if God has the ability to control reality so well, that a particular sperm-egg combination come together at the right point in time where you are born, how come this exhaustive control is only exclusive to birthing you, and perhaps a few other people? It seems to me that just to fix this issue, every other issue would also have to be controlled because human societies are very chaotic, with a lot of random things possibly causing massive changes in the entire timeline, much less your birth.



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13 Nov 2010, 3:56 pm

"Actually, no. You see, here's how PPR works:
There is everybody else, and they have all their opinions, which are wrong.
Then there is me, who is always right. PPR is in part a process where I, the person who is always right, beat down everybody else, if their opinions are wrong. "

So - Awesomelyglorious DOES believe in a god. Just not in THE god.



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22 Nov 2010, 4:25 pm

Corp900 wrote:
My emotional neurons would take hold and the good seratonin and dopamine would override my logic and i would believe in God, i would be happy for the person i was.
God exists, and were manifestations of God. God isn't perfect (whatever that human, idealized concept means) though, or even directly aware of us. If anybody has the ability to bring about perfection, it isn't the higher layers of universal consciousness. They're too busy maintaining the laws of physics and whatnot. Were the only part of God equipped to collectively make our lives more perfect and harmonious with each other.



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22 Nov 2010, 4:47 pm

Taking my first nervous steps into the dank and terrifying pit of PPR :wink:

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More seriously though, if our logics are different, then there is a very good reason to think that one person is right and the other wrong. Two people cannot disagree on a specific proposition and both be right, as that violates the law of non-contradiction. The best effort you could move towards is just to say that priors may be different, and that different priors will lead to different conclusions based upon the use of logic from these priors. (priors are basically the assumptions you start out with)


This assumes a particular system of logic. What if the fundamental truths of the universe can only be comprehended through tools such as the Saptabhanginava?

Well an easy answer is that debate would be pointless. But wouldn't it just be more complex?



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22 Nov 2010, 4:50 pm

There are no gods that would prove most of the world's popular religions right. Those religious beliefs are wrong. It's not necessary to disprove a deity or deities to simply disprove the annoying religions like Christianity or Islam.


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22 Nov 2010, 9:11 pm

Passing lightly over the good old "prove a negative" thing,

A: What would you consider a proof of anything?

B. Are we to assume some religions are not annoying?

C. If so, which?

D And are we talking universally and absolutely annoying or annoying to you?



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22 Nov 2010, 9:26 pm

Philologos wrote:
Passing lightly over the good old "prove a negative" thing,


You can't prove a negative but you can discredit claims made. Which is why I said that even if there were any deities, it wouldn't be that of christianity or whatever else the world of herded animals worships.


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23 Nov 2010, 1:19 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
Maybe that was one of the reasons I was born.

No, the reason why you were born is because your dad either didn't use a condom, or that condom broke.

That being said, if God has the ability to control reality so well, that a particular sperm-egg combination come together at the right point in time where you are born, how come this exhaustive control is only exclusive to birthing you, and perhaps a few other people? It seems to me that just to fix this issue, every other issue would also have to be controlled because human societies are very chaotic, with a lot of random things possibly causing massive changes in the entire timeline, much less your birth.


Reason I was born was my parents were married and wanted to have kids. Furthermore, the reason I am alive is actually due to the pet cat my parents had. My dad was asleep in a room across the house my parents were living in at the time and my mom was calling for him because she thought the water broke. The cat ran to the room my dad was asleep in, opened the door (yeah the cat actually knew how to turn door knobs to open doors), jumped up on the bed and bit him to wake him up.

It was a good thing too, doctors actually had to do a c-section in the hospital to get my out cause my head was stuck in my mom's rib cage.

Further, I was lucky in the fact my mother had training with helping children were various developmental disabilities. So I got early intervention without them even knowing I was on the spectrum.

I could go on and on, however I was diagnosed with ADHD in 2nd grade. About 2 years after being in 3rd Grade, my old 3rd Grade teacher recognized that one of the children in her class probably had ADHD, turns out she was right. She wouldn't have recognized it, if she hadn't had me as a student 2 years earlier.



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23 Nov 2010, 3:35 pm

Corp900 wrote:
My emotional neurons would take hold and the good seratonin and dopamine would override my logic and i would believe in God, i would be happy for the person i was.


Oh dear here we go again, aspies are so logical, intelligent, should be the masters of the planet. Those poor poor NT's subjugated by their vacuous emotions. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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23 Nov 2010, 4:05 pm

Not that many celebrities believe in God anyway. Some just want to look innocent on TV and some can say there better then God. :roll: 8)


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