A Poll For Christians: Judgement & Hell Mongering

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The desire which is also the percieved justification of another to goto hell is:
Greatly disliked by God or might be. 25%  25%  [ 4 ]
Greatly disliked by God or might be. 25%  25%  [ 4 ]
Somehow a sinful or a wrong thing to do. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Somehow a sinful or a wrong thing to do. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Allowable in righteousness 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
Allowable in righteousness 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
It is perfectly ok. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
It is perfectly ok. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 16

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17 Jun 2006, 1:21 am

The discussion of the topic is hell mongering. Or perhaps better said the thoughts of hell for another person or group of people for whatever reason.

If you or another Christian you have known desired or theoretically situationally for topic material desires a person to go to hell because he or she was taught that’s where they would go. What would you think religiously / spiritually of a scenario in which a fellow Christian envisioned that another person or group of people is going to hell?

To me the desire for another person to go to hell religiously if I was to imagine that mentality would be:

Equal to the offence of that which has been judged of the other resulting in a reversal of what came of them in your mind. What is desired mentally of that person or group of people envisioned to go to hell becomes of the desired. You then become of the place in which he or she, individual or group had been thought to become.

To think of such a place or punishment in general for another is the same as desiring it for them.

It's what I imagine creatively what God might do, though not an everlasting scenario that a God might punish judgments and subsequent desires this way.


The judge is the person desiring the other person or group, justified or not to go to such a place. So it is the judger that becomes of the punishment of the judged.

It's almost as if I think that it is Gods place to make such judgments and not ye.

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Disclaimer: I cannot imagine a God, yet I was around the Christian stuff enough to believe in ultimate good. Never did I understand it like others appeared to.



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17 Jun 2006, 1:55 am

I don't know how to vote on that.


To desire to see someone suffer in my mind is something negative, but it is part of the human condition. I believe this sort of attitude is harmful to the one who holds it, but they are allowed to do so.

To actively seek to do harm to others is wrong.

And again, these are both on a scale.


To want to see someone suffer an enternity of undescrible horror? That's twisted.


That being said? I have a hard time with the idea of right and wrong, because as I see it the Universe just is. If some kind of superpowerful creator is responsible? Then either everything is as it should be so everything is right and what we do has little if any meaning, or the creator made a flawed universe.



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17 Jun 2006, 8:00 am

Xuincherguixe wrote:
Then either everything is as it should be so everything is right and what we do has little if any meaning, or the creator made a flawed universe.


i concur with the latter.



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17 Jun 2006, 12:23 pm

There are many ways of perceiving what I have said. The goal is to incite theological discussion, I did purchase two bibles recently as my curiosity was enticed by recent conversation on this forum. A picture bible and a large text bible, I've always had problems reading the small text. The investment was $60, not cheap so let's get to talking.

Does any Christian remember reading this in the bible?

Judge not and ye shall not be judged.

Why not judge, other then for yourself or to teach another, certain judgments are needed to teach the teachings. Yet I think that judging outside of righteous teachings for attunement of a believer differs from the desire and judgment of hell for another.

Ultimately I strongly feel God, well myself in my opinion as well, in what God is in Good as God is good, does not like this. So a way of separating myself from what God is presumptively, as if God would be speaking to me, a common saying. Is to say that a desire for hell of another is the same as assuming yourself or the person doing so as God himself, in which neither you are or the presumptive other person. God is God, thus God judges as he does, ultimately with love unconditionally.

I'm not sure if this is making sense, I'm trying to use lingo I observed when I was around believers so much.

God when used for hate, such as against homosexuals, to say they goto hell I'd think would be wrong to God, as if it was not anothers place to judge.

Judge not and ye shall not be judged.