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22 Jun 2006, 9:17 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

Can't wait to see how much everyone that have called Bush a liar for saying that Iraq had WMD's are now eating crow.



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22 Jun 2006, 11:06 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01837.html

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The lawmakers pointed to an unclassified summary from a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center regarding 500 chemical munitions shells that had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988.

The U.S. military announced in 2004 in Iraq that several crates of the old shells had been uncovered and that they contained a blister agent that was no longer active. Neither the military nor the White House nor the CIA considered the shells to be evidence of what was alleged by the Bush administration to be a current Iraqi program to make chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.



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22 Jun 2006, 11:08 am

what have they found exactly.. a few hundred grenades?

'since 2003' why mention it now after all this time?



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22 Jun 2006, 11:17 am

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what have they found exactly.. a few hundred grenades?

'since 2003' why mention it now after all this time?


Either A. You were too lazy to even read the artical or B Your a friggen boob with the readers compensation skills of a kindergardener or possibly both.



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22 Jun 2006, 12:28 pm

psych wrote:
what have they found exactly.. a few hundred grenades?



a few hundred unusable grenades, at that.

the article wrote:
Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."



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22 Jun 2006, 4:36 pm

I thought that a WMD meant it was capable of mass destruction.



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22 Jun 2006, 4:40 pm

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I thought that a WMD meant it was capable of mass destruction.
You can do alot of damage with nerve gas or mustard gas, If you realease it in the right spot. I actually thought that WMD were all very powerful nuclear weapons. Now, by this definition a dirty bomb is a WMD... That's not fair...



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22 Jun 2006, 4:52 pm

Being killed by either nerve gas or mustard gas is one of the worse way to die. Saddam has used those against his very own people quite a few times. Whats not surpriing is how much the UN has cared less about what Saddam has done to both his own people and what he has done to other countries.



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22 Jun 2006, 5:47 pm

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The lawmakers pointed to an unclassified summary from a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center regarding 500 chemical munitions shells that had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988.


Hahahaha a bunch of left over munitions from the 1988 in the later stages of the Iran-Iraq war you are really scrapping the barel with that because after the massacre of kurds post gulf war one we knew about those weapons anyway so all this report is saying is they found some long forgotten rusted munitions in the desert somewhere

Thats like finding old German army chemical shells from the great war from the 1914-18 war and going OMG Germany has WMD :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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22 Jun 2006, 6:45 pm

Laz wrote:
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The lawmakers pointed to an unclassified summary from a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center regarding 500 chemical munitions shells that had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988.


Hahahaha a bunch of left over munitions from the 1988 in the later stages of the Iran-Iraq war you are really scrapping the barel with that because after the massacre of kurds post gulf war one we knew about those weapons anyway so all this report is saying is they found some long forgotten rusted munitions in the desert somewhere

Thats like finding old German army chemical shells from the great war from the 1914-18 war and going OMG Germany has WMD :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You're forgetting the part at the end of the first gulf war, they were required to give those up.


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22 Jun 2006, 6:50 pm

Another thing is there had been reports that Saddam was planning to make more WMDs once the sactions were lifted. Saddam was no doubt a huge threat to not only us but to other countries including Israel. We may have many dictators oppressing their people such as China,Iran,Korea,elc but at least there is one less dictator to worry about.



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22 Jun 2006, 8:42 pm

jaguars_fan wrote:
Another thing is there had been reports that Saddam was planning to make more WMDs once the sactions were lifted. Saddam was no doubt a huge threat to not only us but to other countries including Israel. We may have many dictators oppressing their people such as China,Iran,Korea,elc but at least there is one less dictator to worry about.



There's still the one in the United States, though. And yes, it IS a dictatorship. It's not like there's a lot of separation of powers, and let's look at other traits of a dictatorship: aggressive/militaristic foreign policy (check), a constant cry for patriotism and unity (check), rigged elections (check), elections between two candidates who are basically the same (check)...

Now let's look at traits for democracy: fair elections (no check), poeple have ruling power (no check).

Republic: People vote for representatives (check) and all their votes matter (no check).

Not trying to start any flame wars, just trying to put things into perspective.



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22 Jun 2006, 9:07 pm

I don't have to read any report. My husband, plus 800 + of his closest batallion soldiers were there. I have the letters from my husband describing (15 years ago) what Saddam was doing reguarding torture & if that's not good enough, friends who have suffered "questionable" illness/death upon return. I won't reveil the number dead from hubby's first trip over & I'm not talking about casulties in the field. I know that a lot of men came home with something more than a cold the first time around. The second time back no one that I know of has gotten sick, but that was Desert Thunder & the Kurds invaded from the North before Saddam reached the border. He trusted us not to invade so he turned his tail and headed North.

Bush has done a great job by sending the troops over to capture a sick, sick man.

I guess I don't understand people who are pro-choice & anti-war.



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22 Jun 2006, 9:16 pm

jaguars_fan wrote:
Another thing is there had been reports that Saddam was planning to make more WMDs once the sactions were lifted. Saddam was no doubt a huge threat to not only us but to other countries including Israel. We may have many dictators oppressing their people such as China,Iran,Korea,elc but at least there is one less dictator to worry about.


There were never any WMDs. (In any case, Countries like USA & UK ALREADY have large stockpiles of illegal missiles and a MUCH worse history of hostile foreign interventions). The sole reason Iraq was invaded was the recent switch from US$ to Euros as the currency in which to trade oil. This threatened US$ hegemony and if left in place, could have started a domino effect amongst other OPEC nations, hastening the day when the USA will become liable for its 7trillion* dollar trade deficit.

*can never remember whether it was 7billion or 7trillion... either way it sounds like a lot!



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22 Jun 2006, 10:32 pm

psych wrote:
jaguars_fan wrote:
Another thing is there had been reports that Saddam was planning to make more WMDs once the sactions were lifted. Saddam was no doubt a huge threat to not only us but to other countries including Israel. We may have many dictators oppressing their people such as China,Iran,Korea,elc but at least there is one less dictator to worry about.


There were never any WMDs. (In any case, Countries like USA & UK ALREADY have large stockpiles of illegal missiles and a MUCH worse history of hostile foreign interventions). The sole reason Iraq was invaded was the recent switch from US$ to Euros as the currency in which to trade oil. This threatened US$ hegemony and if left in place, could have started a domino effect amongst other OPEC nations, hastening the day when the USA will become liable for its 7trillion* dollar trade deficit.

*can never remember whether it was 7billion or 7trillion... either way it sounds like a lot!

And now we get to that fun time when I inexplicably go against my fellow liberals. How on earth is american foreign policy more interventionist than that of the middle east? The pure existance of Iraq is a combination of constant intervention and troop placing on the part of several countries, along with the English letting a 4 year old draw the map. We didn't start going into war on behalf of other countries till the Spanish American war. The Iraqis were doing it before the first people to discover america(Vikings) even existed as a group.

Postscript-It's trillion with a t.



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22 Jun 2006, 10:49 pm

Veresae wrote:
jaguars_fan wrote:
Another thing is there had been reports that Saddam was planning to make more WMDs once the sactions were lifted. Saddam was no doubt a huge threat to not only us but to other countries including Israel. We may have many dictators oppressing their people such as China,Iran,Korea,elc but at least there is one less dictator to worry about.



There's still the one in the United States, though. And yes, it IS a dictatorship. It's not like there's a lot of separation of powers, and let's look at other traits of a dictatorship: aggressive/militaristic foreign policy (check), a constant cry for patriotism and unity (check), rigged elections (check), elections between two candidates who are basically the same (check)...

Now let's look at traits for democracy: fair elections (no check), poeple have ruling power (no check).

Republic: People vote for representatives (check) and all their votes matter (no check).

Not trying to start any flame wars, just trying to put things into perspective.


Isn't it great how you can always be right when you make up your own rules/definitions and make them up as you go. If you're wrong you can just make up new rules. You never have to worry about ever being wrong.....again


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