Is love real?

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So you are saying that a drug that our body produces makes someone love, does that mean all the hallucinations that someone has on lsd are real? I would like to see the experiment that proves love exists if anyone has researched it. Yes, there are some major measurable effects on society and people that "love" creates. I also think in many cases you could say that the altruistic good of a group is what is defined as love. Being a champion of altruism will help you be loved aswell so in these cases you are talking about more about self preservation and validation as the driving force for the kindness that follows with alltruism. People need stability, safety, and validation which can all be met by the group, that is why we make families. When these are all met we are satisfied and then we "love" the people which help us attain our needs.

What I would see as good evidence for existence of love is where people would stick together despite having their altruistic endevours fail. But that isn't what people really do is it?

... and that describes my own situation fairly well. My wife and I and two friends stuck together "through thick and thin" even though we had all occasionally frustrated and disappointed each other and none of our hopes and dreams ever panned out. Two of us are now 900 miles away from the others, but I am sure the four of us will never actually part for as long as we yet live.

Maybe chemicals do correlate to love and happiness, but its not purely chemical and mechanistic. There is a conscious component to matter that you're denying. Love is a state of feeling, not some purely spring loaded, mechanical contraption.

its kinda strange to say that the moving of chemicals is love since love would then be only existent over a period of time and never at a single given moment. although there probably people that would argue that movement is also existent in a moment then love would be the movement of chemicals which would be kinda depressing where it not that love doesn't exist much like god and beauty.

Well, a moment could be a very short, finite period of time, anywhere from a split second to a minute. I think a moment is when one thought process ends and another begins. Its a very subjective term. The absorption rate of all the released dopamine could happen over a few hours, but the actual process of bonding between a receptor and neurotransmitter does happen in one flash after another till all of the chemicals are finally absorbed. The whole process could be said to be love, but the actual conscious, consonant experience by the individual makes it more than just a process. That's my argument. I think the rules of the chemical process limits our free will to a narrow chasm, but it doesn't mean free will and perception isn't there at all. I argue that the individual, the observer, is somehow present in the electron activity of the bonding itself and that we, as collectives of electron swarms in the brain. can direct the activity of the electrons that form our own person-hood on a moment to moment basis.

Investment. The more time/resources/emotions spent on someone/something the less likely we are to abandon it.

there is no such thing as free will its ridiculous.

Then who or what has forced you to say that?

The physical state of his brain.

ruveyn

Well, I'll say this again, I think free will wouldn't exist if we were just pure process, like a mechanistic zombie. However we are rational observers, and we really do have choices to analyze. ....or, if we were just kind of stuck in or heads and our bodies just kind of took actions on their own, and we had to watch life like it was some sort of movie, then I'd say in that case, free will would be completely non-existent. However, were consciously interconnected to the external world. Were actually an integrated part, whether we realize it or not. I think its convoluted to say nature determines are fate, because we are nature. I think were conscious focal points of reality, and nature and other people influence us constantly, just as we constantly influence nature and other people. Its a two way stream.

The hallucinations themselves aren't real, but the fact that people who take LSD can see them and get high is a scientific fact. In the same way, people who fall in love start thinking very illogical things ("we're gonna be together FOREVER!") which are stupid, but the effect it has on the brain is well documented and proven.

In fact, it's funny you should mention drugs, because you really do get a natural high from love, and the brain has a similar reaction to the chemicals that are released because of love as it does with drugs - that is, it becomes addicted to them, and when it can't get its fix, it makes you go mad. This is why breakups can be so painful, and actually have physical effects such as weakening your immune system and actually causing heart attacks - yes, you can LITERALLY DIE FROM A BROKEN HEART. In fact, there's even such a thing as broken heart syndrome. Look it up.

If love can force men and women to act in the physical real world then yes its real....its having a visible effect on people, places and things. IF the story of Troy is in fact accurate then that is a huge example of how Love is "real".... If something manifests itself into reality then it is by definition real. The American 'dream' of a nation did not exist before the Revolutionary War, but it certainly did exist after we beat the British and then it manifested itself into reality in all the years leading up to today. that mental idea manifested itself into reality.

LSD hallucinations are also in fact "real" to the viewer because to them they can act upon it and some do.

People with phobias have what other people think as "unrealistic" fears- but ask any phobic, their fears are VERY real to them and they do physically act on those phobias. They are real.

Unless what you are talking about is a physical object, person or animal that the majority of people can see with their eyes I think the argument of something being 'real' follows my logic above. Love is not a visible, tangible object it is in our minds, therefore it is all perception. A bulldozer is a physical object therefore you can argue if it is "real" or not by simply looking to see if its there and the majority of ppl see it.