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Subotai
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30 Nov 2010, 4:30 am

Is our desire to continue existing just our survival instincts messing with us?



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30 Nov 2010, 4:33 am

Subotai wrote:
Is our desire to continue existing just our survival instincts messing with us?


Without our instincts we are not us.



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30 Nov 2010, 4:38 am

Sand wrote:
Subotai wrote:
Is our desire to continue existing just our survival instincts messing with us?


Without our instincts we are not us.


What if we had all our instincts except the survival one?



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30 Nov 2010, 4:44 am

Our instincts combine to form survival.



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30 Nov 2010, 5:08 am

Subotai wrote:
Sand wrote:
Subotai wrote:
Is our desire to continue existing just our survival instincts messing with us?


Without our instincts we are not us.


What if we had all our instincts except the survival one?


What if we had three heads and a tail.



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30 Nov 2010, 5:19 am

Okay, what if a person was born by some accident of nature without a survival instinct but was otherwise normal. Would they see life or death as the preferable state?



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30 Nov 2010, 5:28 am

Subotai wrote:
Okay, what if a person was born by some accident of nature without a survival instinct but was otherwise normal. Would they see life or death as the preferable state?


I doubt they would make it out of babyhood.



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30 Nov 2010, 5:33 am

One with a lack of the survival instinct, would not have preferences.



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30 Nov 2010, 5:50 am

the death instinct is the urgency to remove pain and danger.

the life instinct is the acceptance of non existence.

i know it sounds counter intuitive, but it is the case (i believe).

we all have things that prevent us from being where we truly want to be.
they are obstacles that we wish to be gone.

the experience of life is the experience of being removed from the reality of our perfect expectation (which would be the sensation of discontent, no matter how beautiful).
life always contains things that must be done in order to get ourselves to where we want to be.

death is where nothing must be done at all.

the death instinct is an instinct that forces us to eat when we are hungry, and fight when
we are threatened.

death is the nullification of desire.
the way to nullify desires is to satisfy them.

when we are feeling a strong force of desire, we attempt to perform actions which satisfy and kill those desires.

to kill a desire that arises out of your life's need s is to commit a kind of suicide when you obliterate your desire by slaking it.

there is no desire after death.
after death, all desires are gone.


so to try to kill desires by satisfying their requirements is a death instinct.

you are only alive when you want something you do not have.

when you have all there is to have that you ever wanted , then you go to eternal sleep.


i am really sorry i decided to post. if you do not like what i said, then forget it.
no drama.
i said what i think with my damaged brain and it may go under or over your minds.

probably it will not go through your minds



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30 Nov 2010, 5:55 am

Witnessed



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30 Nov 2010, 6:04 am

survival instinct is not something that just is it has grown to be since everything that wanted to die died out.



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30 Nov 2010, 6:04 am

blast!! ! i just changed the word "to" to "the" and because you posted your interlude, it is written that i edited my post which detracts from its spontenaiety. anyway i witness with interest the sands of this beach of words that roll over my words and bury them automatically and inevitably.

do not whisper your thoughts during a hurricane i guess.



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30 Nov 2010, 6:08 am

thedaywalker wrote:
survival instinct is not something that just is it has grown to be since everything that wanted to die died out.

i do not understand what you said . i think it is because i have only 4.5 k of processing space.
sorry about that



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30 Nov 2010, 6:33 am

Subotai wrote:
Is our desire to continue existing just our survival instincts messing with us?

i guess it is.
we still exist because we desire to exist, but i know if we did not exist because we did not desire it, things would be no different than if we existed.

the universe is not altered in any meaningful way due to the fact that i am alive.
i am just comprised of stardust that was born in a supernova as you all are, and i express my sentiments that spend some energy of my creation in my personal thoughts.

but i do not care. i will protect myself as far as i can from anything that may cause me not to exist.


i want to be here and fail much more than to i want to be never and nowhere and not be included in the universe of all things.



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30 Nov 2010, 7:06 am

b9 wrote:
the death instinct is the urgency to remove pain and danger.

the life instinct is the acceptance of non existence.

i know it sounds counter intuitive, but it is the case (i believe).

we all have things that prevent us from being where we truly want to be.
they are obstacles that we wish to be gone.

the experience of life is the experience of being removed from the reality of our perfect expectation (which would be the sensation of discontent, no matter how beautiful).
life always contains things that must be done in order to get ourselves to where we want to be.

death is where nothing must be done at all.

the death instinct is an instinct that forces us to eat when we are hungry, and fight when
we are threatened.

death is the nullification of desire.
the way to nullify desires is to satisfy them.

when we are feeling a strong force of desire, we attempt to perform actions which satisfy and kill those desires.

to kill a desire that arises out of your life's need s is to commit a kind of suicide when you obliterate your desire by slaking it.

there is no desire after death.
after death, all desires are gone.


so to try to kill desires by satisfying their requirements is a death instinct.

you are only alive when you want something you do not have.

when you have all there is to have that you ever wanted , then you go to eternal sleep.


i am really sorry i decided to post. if you do not like what i said, then forget it.
no drama.
i said what i think with my damaged brain and it may go under or over your minds.

probably it will not go through your minds


Death is not peace. It is simply not existing.
Did you feel peace before you were born? No. You felt nothing because there was no you to feel anything. That is what death is. No you.



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30 Nov 2010, 7:27 am

Subotai wrote:
Is our desire to continue existing just our survival instincts messing with us?


We ARE our instincts. We came into the world pre-wired and pre-programmed to operate in a certain range of ways. We have no choice in the matter.

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