The Saul Alinsky Disease

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07 Dec 2010, 6:17 pm

Several of our national leaders and spokesman have been infected by the Saul Alinksy Disease, a dislike of America as it is. Alinsky was a trouble maker and a social incendiary.

Here is a snippet from the Wiki Article on Alinsky:

Several prominent national leaders have been influenced by Alinsky's teachings,[7] including Barack Obama, Ed Chambers,[5] Tom Gaudette, Ernesto Cortes, Michael Gecan, Wade Rathke,[9] and Patrick Crowley.[10] Alinsky's techniques were quoted in a memo for Tea Party activists seeking to disrupt congressional town halls on August, 2009.[11]

Alinsky is often credited with laying the foundation for the grassroots political organizing that dominated the 1960s.[5] Jack Newfield writing in New York Magazine included Alinsky among "the purest avatars of the populist movement," along with Ralph Nader, Cesar Chavez, and Jesse Jackson.[12]

One of the infected is our very own President Obama and another is Jesse (Hymietown) Jackson.

For the article on Alinsky see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

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07 Dec 2010, 6:20 pm

Didn't Sean Hannity first bring this up in late 2007, early 2008?

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07 Dec 2010, 6:24 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

Didn't Sean Hannity first bring this up in late 2007, early 2008?

I don't know. I hardly ever listen to Hannity. I expect I am not the only person who knows the connection between Obama and Alinsky. Obama had two spiritual/political fathers, Alinsky and (old) Mayor Daley of Chicago. One of the first lessons Obama learned was how to push people under the bus (dump them) which is a Chicago tradition. He did that to his pastor, Reverend Wright as soon as he found out that Wright was wrong for him politically.

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07 Dec 2010, 6:36 pm

It was a rhetorical question, for me this is old news.

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07 Dec 2010, 6:57 pm

I really don't get why ruveyn hates Saul Alinsky so much (aside from the fact Alisnky doesn't share ruveyn's extreme contempt for the working poor and Social Darwinism). Alinsky pretty much agrees with your theory of human psychology and stated that final Utopia solutions are dumb, policywise he was merely a leftwing social democrat, and Alinsky's "influence" on Democratic Politicians is more ceremonial than actual. The corrupt party bosses he fought probably influenced the current DLCocrats than did Alinsky.

It's pretty funny that the "oh my GOD, Chicago is TAKING OVER!! !!" school of paranoics seem to forget that Alinsky was a thorn in the first Daley's side.

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07 Dec 2010, 8:07 pm

Breitbart also swears by Alinsky.

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07 Dec 2010, 8:11 pm

Alinsky was an organizational genius and one of very few leftists of the era to tell ultra-radical buffons to KEEP SOME BLOODY PERSPECTIVE. Passages where he contrasts what happens to student dissidents in China or Cuba versus the US are particularly enjoyable - he was a defender of nonviolent protest in democratic societies.

As such, I can see why the militia right would hate him.

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07 Dec 2010, 8:14 pm

Allinsky came up with a strategy for radical leftists to seize control of Governments and basically turn countries into communist style dictatorships.

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07 Dec 2010, 8:17 pm

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Allinsky came up with a strategy for radical leftists to seize control of Governments and basically turn countries into communist style dictatorships.

Oh my, you really believe that.

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07 Dec 2010, 8:19 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

Allinsky came up with a strategy for radical leftists to seize control of Governments and basically turn countries into communist style dictatorships.

Oh my, you really believe that.

He didn't call it Rulebook for Radicals as a way to start calling far-left nuts a bunch of morons. Do you want me to go get some quotes from the book? Then again it wouldn't surprise me if you had the book. :roll:

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07 Dec 2010, 8:22 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Allinsky came up with a strategy for radical leftists to seize control of Governments and basically turn countries into communist style dictatorships.

Oh my, you really believe that.

I've read a fair part of the book and he made it pretty clear that his instructions were pretty abstract, essentially a manuel for reformists any persuasion on how to obtain power. He rejected Marxian, end of time final utopianism, and even accepted elements of Burkean conservative psychology (like humans being self-interested).

From the sections I've read, its a truly great book written by a truly ingenius man.

And were I to get really pedantic with you, I'd note that it's actually called Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals.

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07 Dec 2010, 8:33 pm

You mean this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

Uh yeah looks very mainstream... :roll:

Master_Pedant so far it looks like either you didn't read it or you are a radical leftist.

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07 Dec 2010, 8:36 pm

One reason why the con-artists hate Alinsky (while using his tactics):

Saul Alinsky wrote:

Not at any time. I've never joined any organization—not even the ones I've organized myself. I prize my own independence too much. And philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it's Christianity or Marxism. One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're right.' If you don't have that, if you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide.

http://www.forestcouncil.org/tims_picks ... hp?id=1075

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07 Dec 2010, 8:40 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

You mean this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

Uh yeah looks very mainstream... :roll:

Master_Pedant so far it looks like either you didn't read it or you are a radical leftist.

The Lucifer reference was meant to be ironic -after all, as LeVey makes readily apparent, really Satanists are radical capitalists.

Saul Alinsky wrote:

There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevski said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families – more than seventy million people – whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don't encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let's not let it happen by default.

So saying you want profound structural change ("revolution") is somehow wrong? Isn't that a persistent rhetorical device of the Tea Partisans? And please state where Alinsky states he wants communist revolution in Rules for Radicals. From what I've rtead, he's talking about rather standard, run of the mill, social democratic reformism. Please privately message DentArthurDent if you ever want to speak to a real Communist so you can contrast them with Alinsky.

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07 Dec 2010, 8:41 pm

Excuse me, who are you calling a con-artist?

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07 Dec 2010, 8:42 pm

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Excuse me, who are you calling a con-artist?

The vast majority of conservative activists in America and the majority of the leadership of the conservative movement in America.

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