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This jumped out and attacked me from Fuzzy on the Striding Etherists thread:

"And what of Allah? There are plenty of Christians that are anti-Muslim after all. Its the same unblinkin god. See? a subset of anti-theism can even oppose the worship of ones own god! "

Another day this would not have slipped through the veils into my awareness, but just this morning my wife and I were taking opposite stances on this.

Judaism / Christianity / Islam clearly form a typological unit among known human religions with clearly documented historical connections and a record of admittedly not always cordial dialogue.

It is clear that the divine rule postulated by all three, despite significant interfaith [and sometimes faith internal] differences shares more features across the JudaeoChristian spectrum than with any outside divinity, even in other monotheistic religions I have heard tell on.

The question is [and I should be interested to see some views on this from the more interested and initiated]: IS the divine entity of Standard Issue Judaism the same as or different from the divine entity of the Nicene Christian? IS the divine entity of Islam identifiable as the same as either the Jewish or the Christian creator?

Sorry if this comes across as too much Professor Numail prodding the seminar - I yam what I yam.

To burrow a term from monopolistic competition, they're all slightly differentiated memetic products.

they're as much the same entity as every version of batman is still batman.



it's just that arguments over which version is better tend more toward real-world genocide when we're talking about which version of god is best.


i prefer morgan freeman's character. i feel that muhammad's gritty reboot of abrahamic monotheism was cinematically awesome but rather disappointing for all the novels that had popped up in the expanded universe of jesus' not-as-gritty reboot of abrahamic monotheism.

oh yeah, and the best version of abrahamic monotheism was adam west's. he was smart enough not to take it seriously.

"to keep the public reasonably dissatisfied with what they have", are you saying?

According to Psalms 102: 25-27; Malachi 3:6; Numbers 23:19 and a few other passages which make the character claim that God changes not and is not a liar, I would have to say that, if true, God would not change in character to at one time call the people of Israel His chosen people and later change His mind and say "kill them all".

God didnt change his mind.
God laid out specifically to the Hebrews that if they remained faithfull to him, they would rule the world, (in a good way, not an evil selfish way), if they rejected him, he would reject them, take away thier promised land, and scatter them amongst the nations, which is exactly what happened.
God entered a contractual agreement with the Hebrews over the blessings and the curses, the Hebrews agreed and then faced the consequences of thier own failure.

As for the original question.
All three religions are Abrahamic religions, that means they all stem from Abraham.
Judaism comes from Issac, Abrahams son by his wife, Islam comes frrom Ishmael, Abrahams son from his concubine.
Christianity is just the continuation of Judaism, the only differnce being Christians accepted the Messiah and the termination of the Old Covernant, Jews are still awaiting the Messiah and so havnt moved on to the next stage.
Muslims actually belive in Jesus and that it is Jesus who will return to Earth and defeat the Anti-Christ the Dajjal, who interestingly is said in the Hadiths to be identifyable as having a "Floating eye".

Not so. Jews believe there is One God. Christians believe in Three Gods, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
One does not equal Three.

Jews also believe that the way to go is to keep the Commandments. Christians have abolished the Commandments. The wretched Paul of Tarsus denied the efficacy of Torah and Works. He made up a faith based religion. Judaism is not faith based. It is commandment based. One does not even have to believe g-d exists as long as he keeps the commandments.

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ruveyn

We finally agree on something!!

thank you for existing, ruveyn.

what nambo said about judaism and christianity is EXACTLY what i was taught in many different churches, when i was a child. that it's utter nonsense isn't all that surprising to an adult me but i was completely taken aback when i first learned that it wasn't true. now it goes in the partition of my brain that loves to laugh at the hullabaloo over hannukah each december when most christians don't even know when yom kippur is.

To continue on the Judaism vs. Christianity theme, I always wondered why Jews don't find New Year's Day to be the most offensive holiday (as opposed to Christmas). Actually, I guess anyone other than a Christian could take offense to a calendar based by the "year of the lord." It seems like most people don't care about Rosh Hashanah, Jews included.

I'm not trying to say that offense should be taken. Most Jews I know are not bothered a bit by what religions others do or do not practice. I'm just thinking that if there was a holiday to take a stance against, New Year's seems more logical to me.

Actually, Christ had said in Matthew 5:17-20,

STUPID machine just ate my post! A pox on it.

Well, less poetisch this time.

Ruveyn - and any ill-informed Muslimns out there :

No, no, no [What I tell you three times is true].

You maybe could find a pew warmer older than about 7 who thinks that, and is is a logical misunderstanding for those outside, but Christians do NOT worship three gods.

The key word is triune, three in one, St Paddy's illustration for the barbarous Celts who had the same misunderstanding, hold up a shamrock: Here is an example of how ONE can be three and THREE one.

If you find an alleged Christian who says there is more than one god, please call the inquisition - for me too Gott iz einer, un weiter keiner [German based transcription as being faster for me to type right now, we will argue Yiddish orthography elsewhere].

Yeah, as per the Trinity - an this is too simplistic to be completely accurate - God the Father can be considered God-proper, God the Son is God in human flesh, God the Holy Spirit can be considered that part of God which is truly omnipresent. There's other issues as per personhood and what that means, but all three of these in composition are God, one God and one God alone, and not three separate gods.

Surely some of you must have read my anti-trinity arguments on another thread?
Jews belive in One God.
The Bible says there is one God, and that he has an only begotten son.
I belive in One God and that the Messiah is not God, but Gods faithfull son.
Many Christains belive what the Bible says.
Most man-made Christian religions teach the non-Biblical and pagan Sun worshipping religion of a trinity, 3 in 1 god.

The Devil doesnt want anyone to be saved, so he used deciept, he has turned most of Christianity to worship the sun, just like with Islam still holding onto elements of thier previous moon worship.
Judaism probably worships itself by now, provided its own messiah, 6 million of them, and have watered down the gift God gave them with the unclean thing they embraced in Babylon.

"It is in vain that you worship me, for you teach commandments of men as doctrine".