Judgement passed from a doctor? Even doctors are fascists!

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08 Jul 2006, 11:10 pm

The following is something I just received from a doctor (no psych doctor, either). It goes exactly like this:

"THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, to: RAYMOND MAJEWSKI

JUDGEMENT has been entered against you in the Superiour Court of New Jersey, Law Division, MIDDLESEX Special Civil Part, on 06/12/06 in the amount of $530.69 plus costs, of which $594.82 together with interest from 06/12/06, remains due and unpaid.

Attached to this Information Subpoena is a list of questions that court rules require you to answer within 14 days from the date you receive this subpoena. If you do not answer the attached questions within the time required, the opposing party may ask the court to conduct a hearing in order to determine if you should be held in contempt. You will be compelled to appear at the hearing and explain your reasons for your failure to answer.

If this judgement has resulted from a default, you may have the right to have this default judgment vacated by making an appropriate motion to the court. Contact an attorney or the clerk of the court for information on making such a motion. Even if you dispute the judgment you must answer all of the attached questions.

You must answer each question giving complete answers, attaching additional pages if necessary. False or misleading answers may subject you to punishment by the Court. However, you need not provide information concerning the income and assets of others living in your household unless you have a financial interest in the assets or income. Be sure to sign and date your answers and return them to the address in the upper left hand corner within 14 days."



As I mentioned elsewhere on these forums in the past, America is appearing to more and more sound like it is trying its damnest to bring back the idea of debtor's prisons. Now, I know that most credit agencies overlook hospitals, and hospitals alone can't truly pass judgements (at least I was told this), but single doctors can. So, maybe we have hospitals with a bunch of quasi-fascist and f**ked-up doctors who make their capitalist living by preying on the poor. One would think that doctors will charge extra for their more higher-class patients and charge less for their lower-class patients, thus offsetting the costs. And if even that is not truly to be considered by many, then it is a well-known fact that doctors charge outrageously for patients with insurance. Now, if doctors did this, one would then think they'd pay for their poorer clients this way. But, doctors are also of the cut-throat variety, placing them in the same class as the mega-rich scoundrels who own massive conglomerates like Wal*Mart and Coca Cola.

I've heard some aspies, and NTs as well for that matter, saying how great it is. I wonder what those aspies, with their supposedly ultra-high moral standards, would do in this situation. I wonder if they'd be still saying how great the system is. Maybe if we throw some in jail, then they may change their minds. Who knows? I doubt if an aspie could ever survive in jail. We're talking money in this situation, so it simply isn't a matter of taking responsibility.

Well, I won't be going to jail, simply because my parents stated that they will pay it. Though my parents tell me that they legally don't have to and so forth, they really have no choice. I bet they couldn't even live with themselves if they did something that may throw me in jail. So, they're gonna pay it. Besides, I think the law would come after them because I'm still financially indebted to them for a lot of things. I hear everything, and I overheard my father talking about that to my mother: "You know? If I don't pay it, I think they could even come after us. I don't know, without talking to a lawyer. But that'd be more expensive than to pay this."

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08 Jul 2006, 11:28 pm

What I'm really saying is, for anyone reading this, is that we could end all of this medical tyranny just by supporting a socialized health care plan, a single-payer health care system. I brought this up once, and quite a few aspies on this site began getting all worked up over it, for some whatever reason. The thing is that in such a system it is paid for by the taxpayers. People are not penalized for things like this. Need I say, this did happen inside a hospital and not in a doctor's office, even. Some people have this aversion to taxation of any sort, and I hate taxes that are stupid too, but some taxes make living much more reasonable. There are people who won't even support smaller-size classrooms, because that would mean more teachers, thus more taxes. If we just slashed the budgets of politicians and got rid of the Board of Ed, and increased the income tax a bit, then we'd have the money for lots of s**t. Hell, we might even have some for slashing the price of airline travel in half, thus allowing the government to provide affordable airline travel to all. If we brought down the military budget, hell, has anyone ever looked at how much the United States spends on education and health care combined? Gee, it is so miniscule compared to the bloated military budget. I've seen graphs of it. Apparently, building weapons of mass destruction and creating a class of robotic soldiers who shoot to kill and lie down like a dog on command means more than the health and well-being of our own society.

An interesting analogy for some aspies out there:

Most books on asperger's tend to believe that punishment is not an effective measure for handling these kids. Actually, there are books out there saying that punishment is not an effective measure for handling any kid. What is effective, these books say, is to reward kids for good behaviors. That tends to make so much more of a difference, according to these books. Thumbs down to Freud and Skinner!

What does our society do to reward anyone for good behavior? Absolutely nothing. I hear Japan does. I hear many Japanese firms take their employees out to dinner. Yippee!

What do American firms do? They punish you for not doing your work and maybe give you a promotion if you prove to be quite a callous and competitive scoundrel amongst the other workers, thus creating an atmosphere of tension.

What does American justice do? Absolutely nothing. It is completely punishment-based. According to our legal system, our parents who read these books are teaching our kids wrong. Nobody gets rewarded in the real world. You just get punished when you don't disobey, regardless of whether or not you meant it or you had trouble achieving goals.

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08 Jul 2006, 11:51 pm

You know? I don't know why I'm writing from such an angry perspective. I wrote this, and then re-read it, and then start to think of how many aspies I could have offended with some of the commentary I used.

And I really don't have much to worry about, really. My parents said they'd take care of most of this, though I'll have to pay them back as time progresses. It's just the fact that some doctor has the audacity to treat me with such contempt, because I didn't have enough money to pay for the treatment at the time, that really irritates me. You would think people would have some semblance of compassion.

This is sort of why I never get along with anyone, and is why I tend to stay clear from most people. People always tell me things like, "Why don't you lighten up?" Some people get annoyed at my nervous habits, like I'll fidget with anything I can put in my hands. It's like something is blocking me from having a calm, two-way relationship.

I mean, I'm fine if things are calm and go well. As soon as things get chaotic, or I feel I am unjustly criticized, then I end up sort of losing inhibitions. I get angry, yet dazed and confused at the same time. Most people who get to know me are well and fine, and usually even say they like me and what not. It's when I get personally close to someone, this stuff starts to happen, and it doesn't usually happen until after quite some time.

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09 Jul 2006, 2:49 am

If you treat all your bills like this then sooner or later you will end up in a prison for those who don't pay their debts.

If this bill has gotten as far as a court then I'd say it would be at least a year old. How come you couldn't pay them five or ten dollars a week? It would have been cheaper. And most doctors will send a bill, same for everyone. And if you don't ring them up and tell them you're in financial hardship, then they will send their bill onto the debt collectors and law courts. How do they know that you're not some rich person trying to get out of paying.

Doctors can't work for free for everyone, they've got years of training, probably racked up huge debts getting it, and now have a tonne of overheads consulting. And they've got to eat, and pay taxes etc. So why shouldn't you pay.

If you want "free" healthcare, you can move to Canada, Australia, or the UK and queue for it. For years.

If you never went to see this doctor then I'd say you would be outraged to get a bill, but you should phone and tell the doctor. If you did see the doctor, what makes you so special that you shouldn't pay for the doctor's time? Do you get outraged when you go to a food shop and they expect you to pay for your food?

And "free" socialised medicine such as they have in Canada, etc, depends on everyone paying their tax. And nobody will be less sympathetic about you stuffing up your tax or ignoring a tax bill, than the tax office.

Debtors prisons never went away. Huge numbers of people go to jail for things as dumb as unpaid parking fines.

I'll bet you never discussed your financial hardship with your doctor? Most doctors I know will sort something out whereby the poor patients don't pay as much as the well off ones, or pay small amounts over extended periods of time. But I don't see why they should be sympathetic to people who ignore the bill, don't contact them and explain, and won't pay anything at all.

And it would have been much cheaper for your parents if you had handed over the bill the day you got it instead of waiting for it to go to court and rack up completely unnecessary court costs.



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09 Jul 2006, 4:08 pm

wobbegong wrote:
If you treat all your bills like this then sooner or later you will end up in a prison for those who don't pay their debts.

If this bill has gotten as far as a court then I'd say it would be at least a year old. How come you couldn't pay them five or ten dollars a week? It would have been cheaper. And most doctors will send a bill, same for everyone. And if you don't ring them up and tell them you're in financial hardship, then they will send their bill onto the debt collectors and law courts. How do they know that you're not some rich person trying to get out of paying.

Doctors can't work for free for everyone, they've got years of training, probably racked up huge debts getting it, and now have a tonne of overheads consulting. And they've got to eat, and pay taxes etc. So why shouldn't you pay.

If you want "free" healthcare, you can move to Canada, Australia, or the UK and queue for it. For years.

If you never went to see this doctor then I'd say you would be outraged to get a bill, but you should phone and tell the doctor. If you did see the doctor, what makes you so special that you shouldn't pay for the doctor's time? Do you get outraged when you go to a food shop and they expect you to pay for your food?

And "free" socialised medicine such as they have in Canada, etc, depends on everyone paying their tax. And nobody will be less sympathetic about you stuffing up your tax or ignoring a tax bill, than the tax office.

Debtors prisons never went away. Huge numbers of people go to jail for things as dumb as unpaid parking fines.

I'll bet you never discussed your financial hardship with your doctor? Most doctors I know will sort something out whereby the poor patients don't pay as much as the well off ones, or pay small amounts over extended periods of time. But I don't see why they should be sympathetic to people who ignore the bill, don't contact them and explain, and won't pay anything at all.

And it would have been much cheaper for your parents if you had handed over the bill the day you got it instead of waiting for it to go to court and rack up completely unnecessary court costs.


I had went to the hospital to receive a shot for nausea, not much more than that. I have done this occasionally in the past, and I usually get on the charity care system. I believe this was at the time when I didn't receive it. Besides, I only went in expecting to receive a shot for nausea, not much more than that. Instead, they give me a blood test and rack up lab work. This bill appears to have stemmed from one particular doctor, whom I don't even know. I saw like two to three doctors at the time, all for one minor shot. That's really what it's about.

As far as telling my parents about things, I generally don't. It's more of a personal thing. My parents ask too many questions. They want to know why I felt I needed to go to the hospital, and then they'll tell me I'm not eating right and all sorts of BS. I tend not to tell my parents about a lot of things, because they are question happy. And then they act like they know what's best for me.

No, I haven't discussed my financial hardship with my doctor. Maybe I should have, but I have seen a few instances where a lot of this makes little difference.

The thing is that I wasn't working at the time, and still am not working just yet. I thought it would be the same as with my mother, whom was in the same hospital once for something. She was seen by one or two doctors who popped in and did a few tests, which increased the costs. The thing with my mother is that she had insurance, and I didn't. Whether that makes a difference? I truly do not know. All I know is that she refused to pay the bill, saying that she didn't even ask to see those particular doctors. I am truly not understanding why insurance caused a problem with this, or refused to cover it, or whatever.

Yeah ... I have had collection agencies calling my house. They usually do not talk on answering machines, and if they do they tend to not say whom they are. I have ignored them in the past, and I know that they alone are quite powerless in what they can do.

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