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What christian denominations are NOT agianst autism/aspergers.


I am working on getting my life together at 23. Working out. Going back to school almost full time while working 3 days a week. Now, its time for church. What denominations are not agianst autistics. Mind you, my disability is not that visible or socially noticable. However, I want to feel welcom....

Its been my experiance that anyone who knows what god is uptoo isnt worth sitting and listening to for an hour. because well, its all BS. you might aswell watch church on TV

That's what I don't get. If you have to ask yourself which denominations are against autism, why would you want to be a Christian in the first place? Catholic, Protestant, Seventh Day Adventist, it's all the same thing, because they all have the same book and the same God, and it's the same rules, except they interpret the meaning differently. I suppose you want to be a part of something. In any case, it doesn't matter which denominations are against autism, because it ultimately depends on the pastor and the people that go to that church.

No church would admit to being against autism or aspergers. I think it depends more on the people who go to a particular church more than it does on which denomination of Christianity that church belongs to.

You might want to consider what suits you best philosophically, but for the social support it's the people that count the most. A danger is though that if for some reason it is important for you to associate with a particular group of people, and you spend time with them, the more time you spend the more you will inevitably come to share their beliefs no matter how odd or bizarre they may be.

I don't want to bash anyone's choice of churches. For me, I could never attend any church that insists the Bible is literally true on every subject because I know there is overwhelming evidence that evolution happens and also evidence of many different types that a global flood (the Noah's ark story) did not happen. I can read the same Bible and get spiritual teachings where some people apparently get stuck on the details of the stories used to communicate those teachings. To me it seems they're missing the point, but for them it works. The problem is when they are so arrogant as to assume that their way is the ONLY way for everybody else and try to force their beliefs on everyone else.

Try visiting local churches to see which you like best. Some would say to not necessarily stay where you feel the most comfortable, because some would say that would be a sign you're in a place where you won't be learning anything spiritually. Instead go with your heart. If the sermon really grabs you, and if the people don't seem phony, give that church a chance.

[quote="TheBicyclingGuitarist"]I know there is overwhelming evidence that evolution happens [quote]

Not to start an argument, but there is actually virtually no evidence for evolution at all. Thats why the media gets excited when a weird bone is found, and then it turns out to be from a goat or something.

Evolution is basically a religion, but it's pushed heavily in schools nowadays as fact (due to a rejection of God) with virtually nothing but theories to back it up.

In fact, due to the way the Universe is designed, there is actually more evidence of an intelligent creator/design than there is for evolution, or against intelligent design.

interesting read on evolution-

http://www.matthewmcgee.org/creation.html

Very interesting read. I find it VERY interesting that the article accuses evolutionists (which isn't a formal sect) of using evidence to support their foregone conclusion, when all the "evidence" used in the article came from the Creation Science Department, or whatever it was called. In any case, it's inconsequential really, whether evolution is the case, or creation is the case, because people will believe whatever they want to. The ONLY evidence for creation is found in the Bible, so I vote for evolution. Still, I don't care that much about evolution, aside from my own growth as a human being. Until I get in a time machine, the verdict is still out as far as I'm concerned.

i found a good place to go in a korean church...but the church or rather youth group split up around the time we all graduated highschool..and since then I have also been searching for a church. That church was presbyterian, and I've never been to any other presbyterian church so couldn't tell you how they are.

any kind of protestant church would probably do well but easier said then done.

i do not like catholic churchs, or any church that adds rules that have little if anything to do with the message/goal of what christ wanted.

You are quite wrong about this. Evolution is most definitely not a religion because it is based on facts and evidence, no faith required. Accepting evolution does not mean one has to reject God, any more than accepting gravity does. It is a fact of nature, observed, measured, and CONFIRMED way beyond any reasonable doubt. You are apparently unaware of the overwhelming evidence from all branches of science that clearly show evolution happens. Obviously you have been lied to by your sources. You can wallow in your ignorance if you want, but I know better.

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In my expirence, Catholic churches espicaly ones with the Mass in Latin.

Some people believe in God but not The Bible. Mabye another type of God or whatever. Anyway the link I posted is just opinions. There are similar links which argue against creationism and pro-evolution out there too.

Some people believe in both evolution and The Bible, others neither one LOL. Lots of variations out there.

I think Church can be good regardless in the sense of just getting out and being with people. Church goers seem to have fewer annoying NT traits so its cool with me. I gotta get back to Church LOL.

First of all, guys, save it for the PPR forum.

Secondly, as Mindslave said, no denomination comes out as against Autism/AS. However, as far as I can tell, no one really tries to accomodate us either. I had sent a FB message to my youth pastor about starting an Autism & AS ministry but no response yet. Maybe there will be one in the near future.

A major difference between the anti-evolution sites and the pro-evolution sites is their honesty. It amazes me how much distortion and denial of the evidence exists on anti-evolution sites, quote mining scientists out of context to make it seem they are saying the opposite of what they mean, and other outright blatant LIES are spread by so-called "Christian" web sites such as Answers in Genesis or the Institute for Creation Research. That link you posted is garbage. Nothing personal against you, but that site is not a reliable source for information on this subject. I love truth and hate lies, although I try not to hate liars, only what they do.

It's ironic that it is the Biblical literalists who are the ones spreading lies, because they are the ones who try to claim the moral high ground on every issue. To be fair, most of those who argue against evolution are good people who are basing their opinions on what they know about it, and if they have been lied to (as you obviously have) then of course they won't be able to judge what is true or false.

I am amazed and ashamed that according to some surveys, nearly half the adults in the USA either deny the fact of evolution or say they aren't sure whether or not it happened. It is just as ridiculous and just as crazy as if half the adults in the USA were to say they weren't sure whether or not the earth is flat. It IS that obvious to anyone who knows what evidence exists (hint: a LOT more than you think, so much it will blow your mind).

[edit added}: Yes I agree the debate over how some people are misinformed about evolution belongs in the PPR forum, not General Autism Discussion. If you look at my first post in this thread, you will see that I am only speaking for myself regarding churches that deny the fact of evolution, but I warn in general that if it is important to you to hang out with any group of people then you will start to believe and think the way that group believes and thinks. Getting social support is fine, but be careful.

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I'd also say no denomination would innately be against AS but that they may take issue with some of the symptoms. For instance as someone with AS I struggle with the concept of love, but it is essentially a crucial part of the religion. So I guess it's up to you to decide whether or not that or other such thing exclude you from the church or not.

Generally speaking, though, you'd want to check out churches that are NOT big on the whole emotional/transcendent/fundamentalist thing and go for ones that are more theology/ discussion based rather than jumping up and down (helooo Pentecostals).


I'll throw in to the science thing (the one that seems to break out every time anything christian is brought up somehow) is that I find that there are extremists on both sides of the spectrum and they both need to get real. Once you try to prove something scientifically with a goal or answer already in mind, your work can be SERIOUSLY compromised. OBJECTIVITY is a key state of mind to aspire to in empiricism. You may as well be a philosopher instead.

So with that criteria, it makes sense that though I'd roughly describe myself as christian, the christian extremist side pisses me off a LOT more than the atheist extremist side.

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Well, think of it this way. Autism is a hot button issue, and so is religion. Why would a church want to combine the two? Especially with God watching them and all.

Of course, the term "hot button issue" is simply "anything that a large number of people are grossly misinformed about" Pastors don't know about autism any more than the average stupid adult idiot moron person.

I'd say that pastors aren't any more likely to know I've met some pretty smart pastors, and I sure as hell have met some stupid ones.

I have an open mind to truth whatever it may be, even if it conflicts with what I believe now or what I want to believe. I attended a debate in the 1980s that had noted speakers from both sides of this issue. An audience member asked both sides if sufficient evidence were shown that you were wrong, would you change your mind. The scientists all said "Yes, of course." The creationists all said "No, absolutely not." That to me in a nutshell shows the difference between science and religion.

Yes the Christian extremists do annoy me, mainly because they claim the moral high ground when their actions show otherwise, but the atheist extremists also annoy me when they make dogmatic assertions that are quite frankly unsupportable. It is important to realize though that evolution is not the same as atheism. There are atheists who don't accept evolution, don't care, or are agnostic on this issue, and there are Christians and other religious people who either accept it as the fact of nature that it is, or at least say that whether or not it happens makes no difference to their faith