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02 Jan 2011, 11:23 pm

http://atheistsnever.com/

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02 Jan 2011, 11:50 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
http://atheistsnever.com/

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Although they had their time of violent insanity Christians in general seem to have calmed down quite a bit. Muslims may generally be quite civilized but it is obvious irrational violence is pretty pandemic in Muslim areas.



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02 Jan 2011, 11:53 pm

Sand wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
http://atheistsnever.com/

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Although they had their time of violent insanity Christians in general seem to have calmed down quite a bit. Muslims may generally be quite civilized but it is obvious irrational violence is pretty pandemic in Muslim areas.


Aren't communists and the dictators in China atheists? I'm not saying all atheists are like them, but it seems Atheists have their dark moments too.



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02 Jan 2011, 11:57 pm

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Aren't communists and the dictators in China atheists? I'm not saying all atheists are like them, but it seems Atheists have their dark moments too.

Please note how the link does not include any murders by Theists done for reasons other than their religion.

Communism is an ideology. Those people were killed in the name of communism, not atheism.

More info: http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyth ... mKills.htm

But now, I just forgot that I have already posted that URL in a previous thread in which you took part. So, you in fact have either learned nothing or your intention is truly just to make people in this forum mad, In case of the latter could you please go and troll another place? In case of the former, why, why can't you seem to understand that atheism is not an ideology but lack thereof, so nobody can because of it?


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03 Jan 2011, 12:00 am

Atheism is a belief there is no God, and therefore no retribution for crimes you committed when you die.



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03 Jan 2011, 12:01 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Aren't communists and the dictators in China atheists? I'm not saying all atheists are like them, but it seems Atheists have their dark moments too.

Please note how the link does not include any murders by Theists done for reasons other than their religion.

Communism is an ideology. Those people were killed in the name of communism, not atheism.

More info: http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyth ... mKills.htm

But now, I just forgot that I have already posted that URL in a previous thread in which you took part. So, you in fact have either learned nothing or your intention is truly just to make people in this forum mad, In case of the latter could you please go and troll another place? In case of the former, why, why can't you seem to understand that atheism is not an ideology but lack thereof, so nobody can because of it?


I concur. Inuyasha is not worth bothering with.



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03 Jan 2011, 12:04 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Aren't communists and the dictators in China atheists? I'm not saying all atheists are like them, but it seems Atheists have their dark moments too.

Please note how the link does not include any murders by Theists done for reasons other than their religion.

Communism is an ideology. Those people were killed in the name of communism, not atheism.

More info: http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyth ... mKills.htm

But now, I just forgot that I have already posted that URL in a previous thread in which you took part. So, you in fact have either learned nothing or your intention is truly just to make people in this forum mad, In case of the latter could you please go and troll another place? In case of the former, why, why can't you seem to understand that atheism is not an ideology but lack thereof, so nobody can because of it?


By your own definition Communism cannot be an ideology though because it doesn't worship a deity it demands loyalty to the state. If Communism is an ideology so is Atheism.



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03 Jan 2011, 12:42 am

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03 Jan 2011, 1:00 am

There are Atheist Ideologies, Vex. And not all Atheism is immune to ideology.

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Atheists(as a group) have never had the opportunity to abuse power so to criticize groups of people for something your group has never even had the opportunity to do is silly.



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03 Jan 2011, 1:47 am

ikorack wrote:
There are Atheist Ideologies, Vex. And not all Atheism is immune to ideology.

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Atheists(as a group) have never had the opportunity to abuse power so to criticize groups of people for something your group has never even had the opportunity to do is silly.


Yes, we desperately wish for the opportunity. We envy you guys. <sarcasm>


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03 Jan 2011, 1:49 am

XD I didn't mean it was something to look forward to, i loathe the day Atheism becomes institutionalized and dogmatic.



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03 Jan 2011, 3:33 am

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XD I didn't mean it was something to look forward to, i loathe the day Atheism becomes institutionalized and dogmatic.


You just started the process by capitalizing it.


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03 Jan 2011, 3:41 am

Fuzzy wrote:
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XD I didn't mean it was something to look forward to, i loathe the day Atheism becomes institutionalized and dogmatic.


You just started the process by capitalizing it.


Oh please, you have fundamentalists now, once they organize the Internet will be one big largely ignorant flame war.(moreso) I just really hope their dogma doesn't go violent. Of course this could in theory be stalled by educating your fundamentalists(and folding them into the current status quo) before they organize themselves. This of course assumes they realize they need education and then want said education



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03 Jan 2011, 4:04 am

ikorack wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
XD I didn't mean it was something to look forward to, i loathe the day Atheism becomes institutionalized and dogmatic.


You just started the process by capitalizing it.


Oh please, you have fundamentalists now, once they organize the Internet will be one big largely ignorant flame war.(moreso) I just really hope their dogma doesn't go violent. Of course this could in theory be stalled by educating your fundamentalists(and folding them into the current status quo) before they organize themselves. This of course assumes they realize they need education and then want said education


Atheism is the bastard child of theism. It exists only in negation of the ideas promulgated by theists. It is neither a person, place or thing, so does not qualify for a capital letter except at the beginning of a sentence, in a title or other similar grammatical situations. That you(and I mean you ikorack) capitalise it indicates that you give it much more weight than the typical atheist.

Would that there be no theism, atheism would lack any possible definition. It is only that theism has a direction that atheism can be said to counter it. I was being a little facetious last post, but there is a kernel or truth there. Atheism cannot give up the ghost as long as theism exists. Its possibility for institutionalisation exists only so far as believers credit its existence.

Other words we find useful which are equally undeserving of capitalisation are cold and dark. These things are also rather resistant to institutionalisation. Could you leave the lights on in the thread when you go? We dont want anyone tripping in the dark.


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03 Jan 2011, 4:17 am

Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
ikorack wrote:
XD I didn't mean it was something to look forward to, i loathe the day Atheism becomes institutionalized and dogmatic.


You just started the process by capitalizing it.


Oh please, you have fundamentalists now, once they organize the Internet will be one big largely ignorant flame war.(moreso) I just really hope their dogma doesn't go violent. Of course this could in theory be stalled by educating your fundamentalists(and folding them into the current status quo) before they organize themselves. This of course assumes they realize they need education and then want said education


Atheism is the bastard child of theism. It exists only in negation of the ideas promulgated by theists. It is neither a person, place or thing, so does not qualify for a capital letter except at the beginning of a sentence, in a title or other similar grammatical situations. That you(and I mean you ikorack) capitalise it indicates that you give it much more weight than the typical atheist.

Would that there be no theism, atheism would lack any possible definition. It is only that theism has a direction that atheism can be said to counter it. I was being a little facetious last post, but there is a kernel or truth there. Atheism cannot give up the ghost as long as theism exists. Its possibility for institutionalisation exists only so far as believers credit its existence.

Other words we find useful which are equally undeserving of capitalisation are cold and dark. These things are also rather resistant to institutionalisation. Could you leave the lights on in the thread when you go? We dont want anyone tripping in the dark.


Not all atheists can be opposed to every theist idea. Someones going to find dogma enticing. As for you theist V atheist opposition thing,(your assertion that without theism atheism would magically cease existing is silly at best, as for being the bastard child I doubt it its likely they have both been present for as long as humans have, ones probably just prone to organize more than the other) while they are oppositional they are not perfect opposites. I capitalize Atheist when referring to fundy Atheists and sometimes atheists who organize themselves around it. Atheist has earned its capital. Cold and Dark are primal perceptions, theism and atheism are not.

I'm not sure why you put emphasize on the you but I might guess it was attempt to isolate my view as singular or uncommon.(which I will point too as irrelevant seeing as these are new changes in atheism)



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03 Jan 2011, 6:18 am

Most of the summations made on the site of the linked news articles were actually inaccurate. One wonders if the site owner actually read the news articles in question before making the misleading statements...


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