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01 Jan 2011, 12:42 am

Here is a quote that I think every social conservative in the universe should read.

"The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values."
-Unabomber

Does anyone else agree with this?

This might get social conservatives to talk less. Your welcome libertarians and leftists.


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01 Jan 2011, 1:37 am

The unabomber was a very strange, nasty, highly intelligence man. I recommend if people are interested in this subject, that they should read 'Why the future doesn't need us' by Bill Joy. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html. The open letter by Joy is one of the most important works for those who study the future trends of technology.


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01 Jan 2011, 2:45 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Here is a quote that I think every social conservative in the universe should read.

"The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values."
-Unabomber

Does anyone else agree with this?

This might get social conservatives to talk less. Your welcome libertarians and leftists.


Well, a stopped clock can be right twice a day, so apparently can a psychopath.

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01 Jan 2011, 6:34 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Here is a quote that I think every social conservative in the universe should read.

"The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values."
-Unabomber

Does anyone else agree with this?

This might get social conservatives to talk less. Your welcome libertarians and leftists.


Well, a stopped clock can be right twice a day, so apparently can a psychopath.

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01 Jan 2011, 7:51 am

Some of Unabomber's critiques of technology were on point. Unfortunately for his victims he translated his conclusions into violent actions, for which he was punished. It was a case of intelligence running amok.

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01 Jan 2011, 9:42 am

Well, I think that the Saudis are doing a decent job of maintaining conservative values, even with their abundant wealth.

It is possible to advance economically without social values decaying.



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01 Jan 2011, 10:45 am

pandabear wrote:
Well, I think that the Saudis are doing a decent job of maintaining conservative values, even with their abundant wealth.

It is possible to advance economically without social values decaying.


Funny you should mention the Saudis.

The Saudis didnt maintain their values well enough for one prodigal son of the Saudi elite who was inspired to become a kinda of extraverted version of the Unabomber.

This individual got angry at his corrupt family- but an intellectual mentor told him to vent his anger at "the real power behind the corrupt elite running Arabia" which is the USA. Both in beliefs and in actions Bin Ladin became a better staffed version of the unabomber- and the rest is history!



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01 Jan 2011, 11:06 am

Well, the elite are supposed to be corrupt. The purpose of conservatism is to keep the masses in check.



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01 Jan 2011, 12:11 pm

Expanding on the last post: conservativism is really just freedom for some and tyranny for the masses. Some are allowed to have technology, economic expansion, and personal freedoms. The rest are just dictated by those who do in order to keep status quo - power remains unchecked.



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01 Jan 2011, 1:33 pm

91 wrote:
The unabomber was a very strange, nasty, highly intelligence man. I recommend if people are interested in this subject, that they should read 'Why the future doesn't need us' by Bill Joy. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html. The open letter by Joy is one of the most important works for those who study the future trends of technology.


http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html (the dot on the end renders your link inneffective, I restate it for lazy people :lol: )

That article is very interesting.

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Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of soft-hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see to it that everyone's physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes "treatment" to cure his "problem." Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove their need for the power process or make them "sublimate" their drive for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human beings may be happy in such a society, but they will most certainly not be free. They will have been reduced to the status of domestic animals.


This sounds like the (western) world that is passing as I write.

I italicised a small fragment, as it seems that Kaczynski obviously has no conception of a spiritual life or spiritual needs. Bit of a blind spot there.

Kaczynski was obviously wrong to take the (not terribly effective) actions that he did, but I have a lot of time for his ideas. I think he was lacking meaning in his life, and that he saw the techno-culture of the west as being a smotherer of meaningfulness.


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01 Jan 2011, 1:35 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, a stopped clock can be right twice a day, so apparently can a psychopath.

Technically, Ted Kaczynski probably is not a psychopath. His personality has more schizoid and paranoid features. A psychopath is far more sociable and outgoing, and their crimes aren't motivated by some esoteric manifesto.



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01 Jan 2011, 1:37 pm

Quartz11 wrote:
Expanding on the last post: conservativism is really just freedom for some and tyranny for the masses. Some are allowed to have technology, economic expansion, and personal freedoms. The rest are just dictated by those who do in order to keep status quo - power remains unchecked.


That would be liberalism, not conservatism. Or did you miss the blatant abuse of power by Nancy Pelosi and Democrats in congress.



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01 Jan 2011, 3:15 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Quartz11 wrote:
Expanding on the last post: conservativism is really just freedom for some and tyranny for the masses. Some are allowed to have technology, economic expansion, and personal freedoms. The rest are just dictated by those who do in order to keep status quo - power remains unchecked.


That would be liberalism, not conservatism. Or did you miss the blatant abuse of power by Nancy Pelosi and Democrats in congress.


Extending healthcare and Wallstreet reform are tyranny, huh?
The last time I checked, it was the Republicans who were more interested in extending tax cuts to the rich, working to deny further unemployment benefits to the long term jobless (even calling them lazy and unAmerican), and crawling up BP's ass to save them from having to compensate the people they had harmed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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01 Jan 2011, 3:50 pm

Out of curiosity - who here are parts of the masses and find things getting better and better?

Obviously I am not amongst the masses because our position is more and more precarious. I must be part of the idle rich.

Well, I always knew I was elite.



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01 Jan 2011, 4:10 pm

So much or the Bourgeousie versus the Proletariat. Old fashioned Marxism is no longer relevant.



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01 Jan 2011, 5:09 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Quartz11 wrote:
Expanding on the last post: conservativism is really just freedom for some and tyranny for the masses. Some are allowed to have technology, economic expansion, and personal freedoms. The rest are just dictated by those who do in order to keep status quo - power remains unchecked.


That would be liberalism, not conservatism. Or did you miss the blatant abuse of power by Nancy Pelosi and Democrats in congress.


Let this stand as a testament to the insidious style of Inuyasha - post a generalized statement about "the Democrats in Congress", act as if it's true, and run as the waters are muddied. Inuyasha is truly an insidious Con-Artist, well done.


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