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12 Jan 2011, 10:27 am

Should modern Israel publicly apologize (year 2011) for crucifying Jesus Christ years ago? Could modern Israel simply say the evidence (Monday morning quarterbacking) is such that it was not necessary to crucify Jesus Christ at all - he could have been jailed for a year instead/whatever? Also, as part of this public apology, could modern Israel write out a check to the heirs of the Carpenter Joseph and Virgin Mary family for unnecessary emotional damages - perhaps a check in the amount of $1,000,000,000 even? Would that be a good move on the part of Israel?



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12 Jan 2011, 10:35 am

I guess you're joking. Oh, you must be. Of course not. Israel should not apologize for crucifixion unless we could find the direct descendants of the Sanhedrin and see if they have any money left from their pay from 2000 years ago. We could track down descendants of Herod and the top Pharisees. Then find any descendants of Pontius Pilatus and the Roman officer supposedly presiding at the crucifiction. Perhaps the fellow with the spear.
Then who would get the damages and restitution.? This is a case to put before Caesar.



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12 Jan 2011, 10:50 am

Modern Israel had nothing to do with it. Most of the inhabitants of Jerusalem were annihilated by the Romans in 66.



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12 Jan 2011, 11:23 am

pgd wrote:
Should modern Israel publicly apologize (year 2011) for crucifying Jesus Christ years ago? Could modern Israel simply say the evidence (Monday morning quarterbacking) is such that it was not necessary to crucify Jesus Christ at all - he could have been jailed for a year instead/whatever? Also, as part of this public apology, could modern Israel write out a check to the heirs of the Carpenter Joseph and Virgin Mary family for unnecessary emotional damages - perhaps a check in the amount of $1,000,000,000 even? Would that be a good move on the part of Israel?


You can take that proposal and shove it up a part of your body where the sun don't shine.

It was the Romans who crucified Yashki Pundric. At that time 90 percent of the Jews were in the Babylonian dispersion and never even heard of Yashki Pundric.

And the Virgin Mariam was knocked up by a human. Count on it.

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12 Jan 2011, 11:49 am

ruveyn wrote:
pgd wrote:
Should modern Israel publicly apologize (year 2011) for crucifying Jesus Christ years ago? Could modern Israel simply say the evidence (Monday morning quarterbacking) is such that it was not necessary to crucify Jesus Christ at all - he could have been jailed for a year instead/whatever? Also, as part of this public apology, could modern Israel write out a check to the heirs of the Carpenter Joseph and Virgin Mary family for unnecessary emotional damages - perhaps a check in the amount of $1,000,000,000 even? Would that be a good move on the part of Israel?


...It was the Romans who crucified Yashki Pundric. At that time 90 percent of the Jews were in the Babylonian dispersion and never even heard of Yashki Pundric.

And the Virgin Mariam was knocked up by a human. Count on it.

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So you don't believe in/have any blind faith in the concept of virgin births as being a valid, non-profit, tax-exempt theological (pull the wool over the sheep's eyes/pass the collection plate next) doctrine? Does not appear you would subscribe to, take part in, and recite common Christian church (fascist-like/Mafia-like) creeds which are regularly recited across America in a variety of non-profit, tax-exempt Christian houses of worship.



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12 Jan 2011, 12:00 pm

Isnt forgiveness one of the biggest messages of the New Testament? Seriously, todays Jews had nothing to do with the Crucifixion of Jesus, just as todays Christians had nothing to do with the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, or other past events that people like to use to paint Christians as hateful.


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12 Jan 2011, 12:01 pm

It's beyond the third generation so it doesn't matter, anyways.



Or was it seven generations?


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12 Jan 2011, 12:15 pm

pgd wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
pgd wrote:
Should modern Israel publicly apologize (year 2011) for crucifying Jesus Christ years ago? Could modern Israel simply say the evidence (Monday morning quarterbacking) is such that it was not necessary to crucify Jesus Christ at all - he could have been jailed for a year instead/whatever? Also, as part of this public apology, could modern Israel write out a check to the heirs of the Carpenter Joseph and Virgin Mary family for unnecessary emotional damages - perhaps a check in the amount of $1,000,000,000 even? Would that be a good move on the part of Israel?


...It was the Romans who crucified Yashki Pundric. At that time 90 percent of the Jews were in the Babylonian dispersion and never even heard of Yashki Pundric.

And the Virgin Mariam was knocked up by a human. Count on it.

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So you don't believe in/have any blind faith in the concept of virgin births as being a valid, non-profit, tax-exempt theological (pull the wool over the sheep's eyes/pass the collection plate next) doctrine? Does not appear you would subscribe to, take part in, and recite common Christian church (fascist-like/Mafia-like) creeds which are regularly recited across America in a variety of non-profit, tax-exempt Christian houses of worship.


Well, if you don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God, it does then follow that He had a human father. No overuse of adjectives, hysterical analogies, or excessive concern about money required.



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12 Jan 2011, 1:21 pm

Why should they apologize? I'm not responsible for what an ancestor did a couple hundred years ago, they shouldn't be held responsible for what someone did nearly 2000 years ago. It is stupid.



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12 Jan 2011, 1:44 pm

thechadmaster wrote:
Isnt forgiveness one of the biggest messages of the New Testament? Seriously, todays Jews had nothing to do with the Crucifixion of Jesus, just as todays Christians had nothing to do with the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, or other past events that people like to use to paint Christians as hateful.


And 90 percent (at least) of the Jews of 2000 years ago equally had nothing to do with it either.

It was the Romans who had Yashki Pundrik crucified.

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12 Jan 2011, 2:14 pm

ruveyn wrote:
thechadmaster wrote:
Isnt forgiveness one of the biggest messages of the New Testament? Seriously, todays Jews had nothing to do with the Crucifixion of Jesus, just as todays Christians had nothing to do with the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, or other past events that people like to use to paint Christians as hateful.


And 90 percent (at least) of the Jews of 2000 years ago equally had nothing to do with it either.

It was the Romans who had Yashki Pundrik crucified.

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I thought Mel Gibson (a good Italian Catholic/Pope worshipper) had Jesus Christ crucified to make a wad of cash. It was Mel Gibson of Hollywood who had Jesus Christ crucified to make bags of money. Also, it was clearly the Jews who were the ones that killed Jesus per the musical movie, Fiddler on the Roof. That was the reason for the horrific pogram.



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12 Jan 2011, 2:17 pm

pgd wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
thechadmaster wrote:
Isnt forgiveness one of the biggest messages of the New Testament? Seriously, todays Jews had nothing to do with the Crucifixion of Jesus, just as todays Christians had nothing to do with the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, or other past events that people like to use to paint Christians as hateful.


And 90 percent (at least) of the Jews of 2000 years ago equally had nothing to do with it either.

It was the Romans who had Yashki Pundrik crucified.

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I thought Mel Gibson (a good Italian Catholic/Pope worshipper) had Jesus Christ crucified to make a wad of cash. It was Mel Gibson of Hollywood who had Jesus Christ crucified to make bags of money. Also, it was clearly the Jews who were the ones that killed Jesus per the musical movie, Fiddler on the Roof. That was the reason for the horrific pogram.


A lot of people think Mel Gibson isn't usually playing with a full deck.



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12 Jan 2011, 3:34 pm

nobody should be blamed for something the did not directly do



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12 Jan 2011, 4:03 pm

An update, I went to Rome and tried to place this question before Caesar Himself. His majordomo said He was too busy wrestling with his slave boys to pass His judgement upon this case. I was about to make my way to the Forum, when a funny thing happened. Caesar's appointed Consul agreed to hear my case after he was done addressing the Senate. I asked the consul if the Judeans should pay restitution to the Christ-worshippers even after nearly two millennia.
The Consul said, "Yes, the Judeans should pay restitution for killing Iesus Crestus no matter how many years are passed.". I asked, "Consul, who shall receive the damage award ?". The Consul said, "You shall pay all the awarded moneys to Caesar. It is His money". The Praetor, the Quaestor, and the Nuncio who were also in attendance said in unison, "The damages must be paid to Caesar as it was Caesar who was aggrieved by this crime the Judeans committed."

Yes, let's enrich our rulers by demanding damages for crimes of the past.



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12 Jan 2011, 4:15 pm

TenFaces wrote:
An update, I went to Rome and tried to place this question before Caesar Himself. His majordomo said He was too busy wrestling with his slave boys to pass His judgement upon this case. I was about to make my way to the Forum, when a funny thing happened. Caesar's appointed Consul agreed to hear my case after he was done addressing the Senate. I asked the consul if the Judeans should pay restitution to the Christ-worshippers even after nearly two millennia.
The Consul said, "Yes, the Judeans should pay restitution for killing Iesus Crestus no matter how many years are passed.". I asked, "Consul, who shall receive the damage award ?". The Consul said, "You shall pay all the awarded moneys to Caesar. It is His money". The Praetor, the Quaestor, and the Nuncio who were also in attendance said in unison, "The damages must be paid to Caesar as it was Caesar who was aggrieved by this crime the Judeans committed."

Yes, let's enrich our rulers by demanding damages for crimes of the past.


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Well, your visit to Rome settles the matter (for a moment or so).

A $1,000,000,000 payoff by the Judeans would allow Caesar to balance more of Rome's budget and allow Caesar to throw one or two more parties at the government's expense.



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12 Jan 2011, 6:22 pm

Actually, if anything, we should be effusively thanking the Jews, Romans, and everyone else in the vicinity for having crucified Jesus.

If Jesus hadn't been crucified, then we would all be held as guilty for Adam's sin, and all have been forever and justifiably damned.

Jesus dying on the cross meant that our sins can be glossed over, and we can go to Heaven.

Judas, the Jews, and Pontius Pilate verily did us all a very big favour.