"The Passion": I STILL hate it
I wasn’t sure whether to post this in “Television, Film and Video” or here but I decided to post it here because PPR people are probably more thick-skinned.
I remember when I was younger and my dad forced my sister and I to watch The Passion of the Christ. Man, that movie was a piece of SH**.
When I was a kid I respected Jesus because he seemed like a really good guy to me. Most of the focus in The Passion is on the suffering of Jesus, rather than his kind acts. When I was a kid the death of Jesus struck me emotionally because of how Jesus had been killed despite being a nice guy. It wasn’t how violent his death was that struck me at all. Because the focus of the film is on how brutally Jesus was tortured rather than how great a man he was the torture feels pointless – and when torture in a movie feels pointless it comes across as pornographic.
I consider The Passion of the Christ to be the worst movie I have ever seen.
F*** The Passion of the Christ and F*** Mel Gibson.
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The only one Jesus film I like is the miracle maker. I watched it a few times when I was a kid so it makes me feel nostalgic. Ahhh takes me back, I don't have to believe it (I certainly don't) to like a jesus film
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Coincidence on 34th street.
Since the movie actually reproduces the last parts of the life of Jesus as the bible makes it. Then does not it mean that the bible is "pornographic" and antisemitic?
The movie is called the Passion of the Christ , it is pretty clear that it was about his death. The bible does describe that Jesus died that way. Perhaps Jesus' life would be easier to learn and accept if it was a fairy tale -style thing that didn't end in martyrdom, but I guess that's the sort of stuff that was required at that time to make things popular. The authors needed a hero that would go through all the shiot early Christians were going through. Because at the time the bible was written, being a Christian greatly increased your chances to die a brutal death. The authors needed a story early Christians could identify with...
The bible is a book that is full of violent stories. It is actually pretty morbidity-friendly. I think that people thinking that we should hide this violent face of the bible are Christians that are starting to go through the reverse-conversion path I went through recently. Denying certain parts of the bible and keeping only the nice ones is the first step . The next step is to notice that you can't be a Christian if you pretend those parts of the bible not to exist. That's when I stopped being a Christian, and the many issues the bible had stopped being a problem for me. Thanks to how I accepted it as a work of fiction written by primitive men, I no longer have to incur into moral dichotomies whenever I face a part of the bible I don't like and I don't agree with.
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The gospels are (in part) anti-Jewish.
ruveyn
Actually, the gospels, and New Testament are not anti-Jewish at all, in fact they say that God would much rather have Jews filling the roles than the Gentiles they had to invite to make up the numbers.
What they are is anti-Jewish leader, Jesus says they have mislead the people and are offspring of Satan,
I would say this is a mistake Jews allways make in that they back thier leaders, good or bad, just out of Jewish solidarity, but then end up sharing the persecution the actions of thier leaders have resulted in, if a Goy leader does bad we reject him, not defend him just because hes a fellow Goy.
Or maybe its a form of idolatry, that the ordinary innocent Jew, allmost deifies thier rabis, following thier instruction come what may, ultimately to thier own detriment.
Heres an instruction to Jews from thier Messaih "4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."
About the biggest cause of anti-semitism in the world, is the controlling aspects of the Rothschild dynasty, but I bet you never found one of them in Auschwitz, cant you clear the bad out of your own house for your own good?
About the biggest cause of anti-semitism in the world, is the controlling aspects of the Rothschild dynasty, but I bet you never found one of them in Auschwitz, cant you clear the bad out of your own house for your own good?
Bullsh*t. The Jews "control" very little. The foremost banks and financial houses have been run by gentiles for the longest time.
As to the Gospels, explain "synagogue of Satan" to me? Also blaming the Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus when 90 percent of the Jews at that time were in the Dispersion and never even heard of Jesus who lived in the Galeel. Then there is the habit of Gentiles blaming Jews for the death of Jesus long afterwards, hundreds and a thousands of years. Jew Hatred is at the heart and soul of Christianity.
Just because Jews consider the idea of a Man-God blasphemy you gentiles get your backs up.
ruveyn
About the biggest cause of anti-semitism in the world, is the controlling aspects of the Rothschild dynasty, but I bet you never found one of them in Auschwitz, cant you clear the bad out of your own house for your own good?
Bullsh*t. The Jews "control" very little. The foremost banks and financial houses have been run by gentiles for the longest time.
As to the Gospels, explain "synagogue of Satan" to me? Also blaming the Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus when 90 percent of the Jews at that time were in the Dispersion and never even heard of Jesus who lived in the Galeel. Then there is the habit of Gentiles blaming Jews for the death of Jesus long afterwards, hundreds and a thousands of years. Jew Hatred is at the heart and soul of Christianity.
Just because Jews consider the idea of a Man-God blasphemy you gentiles get your backs up.
ruveyn
Yeah right, and you proved my point, you would stick up for the Devil himself if he where Jewish.
Heres a recent article from The Sunday Times, and we all thought it was the Labour party selling England by the pound.
From The Sunday Times
August 30, 2009
NM Rothschild pitches motorway privatisation plan
Robert Watts and Dominic O’Connell
A radical plan to raise £100 billion by privatising the motorway network has been presented to the three main political parties by NM Rothschild, the influential investment bank.
Rothschild, an architect of several privatisations, made its pitch in the weeks running up to the summer recess on July 21, Whitehall sources said. Bankers told leading politicians that the sale of the roads overseen by the Highways Agency — all motorways and most big trunk roads — could help revive battered public finances.
Toll-road companies and infrastructure funds would compete to operate and maintain stretches of the network.
In one version of the scheme, the government would pay for upkeep through a system of “shadow” tolls. A more radical, and less politically palatable, option would be for companies to charge motorists directly through toll booths or electronic card readers. The RAC Foundation, a motorists’ group, advocated privatisation in a report last week.
The Rothschild plan has already won the support of Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrats’ deputy leader and Treasury spokesman.
“This is an attractive, positive idea which could release considerable resources to the public finances and may have real environmental merits,” Cable said. “The scale of it is vast — it makes rail privatisation look like small beer.”
Theresa Villiers, the shadow transport secretary, said the Conservatives had “no plans” to back Rothschild’s proposals: “Rothschilds, like many other banks and consultancies, have approached me and my team on a range of ideas for our transport network, including their ideas for our road infrastructure, but we are not working on any proposals for privatisation of the strategic road network and have no plans to do so.”
Motorway privatisation was considered by John Major’s Conservative administration, which sold British Rail, but was rejected.
A spokesman at the Department for Transport said: “It is not unusual for organisations to suggest ideas to government departments but ultimately all policy is decided by ministers and there are no plans to sell off a stake in the Highways Agency.” Rothschild declined to comment.
The bank was behind many of the key privatisations of the 1980s and 1990s, including British Steel, British Gas and British Coal. It has close links to the Conservatives, having employed several senior Party figures including Lord Lamont, John Redwood and Lord Wakeham. Oliver Letwin, the former shadow chancellor, works there part-time.
And I suppose the Jewish Elite dont controil media either!,
The following is from the L A Times
How Jewish is Hollywood?
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A poll finds more Americans disagree with the statement that 'Jews control Hollywood.' But here's one Jew who doesn't.
By Joel Stein
December 19, 2008
I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe "the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews," down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.
How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.
The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)
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The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.
As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. Without us, you'd be flipping between "The 700 Club" and "Davey and Goliath" on TV all day.
So I've taken it upon myself to re-convince America that Jews run Hollywood by launching a public relations campaign, because that's what we do best. I'm weighing several slogans, including: "Hollywood: More Jewish than ever!"; "Hollywood: From the people who brought you the Bible"; and "Hollywood: If you enjoy TV and movies, then you probably like Jews after all."
I called ADL Chairman Abe Foxman, who was in Santiago, Chile, where, he told me to my dismay, he was not hunting Nazis. He dismissed my whole proposition, saying that the number of people who think Jews run Hollywood is still too high. The ADL poll, he pointed out, showed that 59% of Americans think Hollywood execs "do not share the religious and moral values of most Americans," and 43% think the entertainment industry is waging an organized campaign to "weaken the influence of religious values in this country."
That's a sinister canard, Foxman said. "It means they think Jews
meet at Canter's Deli on Friday mornings to decide what's best for the Jews." Foxman's argument made me rethink: I have to eat at Canter's more often.
"That's a very dangerous phrase, 'Jews control Hollywood.' What is true is that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood," he said. Instead of "control," Foxman would prefer people say that many executives in the industry "happen to be Jewish," as in "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish."
But Foxman said he is proud of the accomplishments of American Jews. "I think Jews are disproportionately represented in the creative industry. They're disproportionate as lawyers and probably medicine here as well," he said. He argues that this does not mean that Jews make pro-Jewish movies any more than they do pro-Jewish surgery. Though other countries, I've noticed, aren't so big on circumcision.
I appreciate Foxman's concerns. And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them.
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You must think we goyim are as stupid as the little Palestinian children who you told would be safe in the school building before you blew it up.
Just because Jews consider the idea of a Man-God blasphemy you gentiles get your backs up.
ruveyn
That Man-God blasphemy you're referring to is very much in the Torah. Jewish people just don't believe that Jesus fit the criteria to be the Messiah. They still very much believe there will be a Messiah.
There has been considerable anti-semitism over the centuries from the Roman Catholic Church, then various Protestant denominations. Hate is wrong. It's discrimination, racism and evil. The stereotypes made of Jewish people and the jokes made at the expense of Jewish people should not be tolerated.
I cannot be held responsible for the wrongful acts of others in their manipulation and perversion of my sacred beliefs in a Trinitarian God that includes Jesus as the Messiah; but I am aware of that heresy and do my part by not continuing it. Jesus was a Jewish man and this is significant to remember when loving our neighbors.
Regarding the Original Post...
"The Passion of the Christ" is definitely not for me. Maybe it reaches some people in a positive way but there's just too much blood, gore and violence for me to stomach it. I know what Christ endured and sacrificed for me and I can be grateful without being subjected to the abuse myself. The whole point of the sacrifice was so that we could be saved from evil. I have heard the argument, "He went through all this for you, the least you can do is watch what it was like." and I disagree. I don't think that's what I owe God. I think what God wants from me, first and foremost, is to pray, love others, and follow his instructions.
So, if it floats somebody's boat, fine; but, I'd have questions about why it floats their boat and be very concerned that we're not progressing enough as a society to stop being so moved by violence and abuse.
As to the Gospels, explain "synagogue of Satan" to me?
ruveyn
Maybe you should read the rest of the scripture:-
9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
Its not saying all Jews are of the Synagogue of Satan, its refering to the small ruling minority, the same ones Jesus accussed, the Scribes and Pharisees who he said where from thier father the Devil, when they where claiming to be children of Abraham.
But these fake Jews are the very ones who are bringing all the real Jews into desrespect over the centuries, yet you defend these very people who are not real Jews, you join yourself together with them and then wonder why anti-semitism is so rife!
That Man-God blasphemy you're referring to is very much in the Torah. Jewish people just don't believe that Jesus fit the criteria to be the Messiah. They still very much believe there will be a Messiah.
The Jewish Mosheach will be a natural born descendant of David from the tribe of Judah. He will not be born of a virgin woman (a biological impossibility) and he will not be the Son of God any more than you or I are son's (children) of God.
The idea of God taking a dump every day is Blasphemy.
ruveyn
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