Are Christians responsible for the hatred of Jews today?

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12 Jan 2011, 11:03 am

Are Christians responsible for the continuing hatred of Judaism/Jews today by their annual Christian non-profit festivals such as Lent where they continue to badmouth the Jews as being the people who murdered Jesus Christ on a cross? Rather than forgive Judaism/the Jews, the Christians bring the topic up once a year and use the non-profit religious festival of Easter as another occasion to promote Christianity and hate Judaism/the Jews.

Should the gospels of the New Testament be viewed as hate speech against Judaism/the Jews as well as hate speech against Egypt/the Sungod of the Egyptians as well as hate speech against the Gods and Goddesses who lived on Mt. Olympus in Greece, and the Gods/Goddesses which were part of the Pantheon in Rome?

Since it's against the law to say bad things about blacks and people of color, why can the Christians get away with saying bad things about Judaism/the Jews once a year during Lent?



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12 Jan 2011, 11:14 am

Without a doubt. Blood anti-semitism started in Catholic Spain and was picked up the the Protestants. Martin Luther on his death bed cursed the Jews and wished that they would be burned. That Protestant Nazi got his wish.

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12 Jan 2011, 11:15 am

pgd wrote:
their annual non-profit festivals such as Lent where they continue to badmouth the Jews....the non-profit religious festival of Easter as another occasion to promote Christianity and hate Judaism/the Jews.


Worst. Description. Ever. Makes me want to take it home and feed it and give it some actual substance. :) Are there for-profit religious festivals too? Or Christian festivals that don't promote Christianity? And what's the use of rejoicing on Easter if you can't take a few minutes out to loathe someone?



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12 Jan 2011, 11:19 am

@ruveyn: I've read that the term 'Jew' was, in Jesus' day, a reference not to all of Israel but to people from the region of Judea. It's since come to refer to the entire people and religion - but that was not what the biblical writers, John in particular of course, meant by it. Makes sense to me, but have you ever heard that?



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12 Jan 2011, 11:19 am

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Are Christians responsible for the continuing hatred of Judaism/Jews today by their annual Christian non-profit festivals such as Lent where they continue to badmouth the Jews as being the people who murdered Jesus Christ on a cross? Rather than forgive Judaism/the Jews, the Christians bring the topic up once a year and use the non-profit religious festival of Easter as another occasion to promote Christianity and hate Judaism/the Jews.



The big Jew hating extravaganza is the Passion Play at Oberramegau.

Please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberammergau_Passion_Play

I have a recurring dream. Every ten years I dream of flying an Israeli Kaffir Jet Fighter Bomber and dropping napalm on the Passion Play about half way through. That way I get both the performers and the audience.

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12 Jan 2011, 11:26 am

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Without a doubt. Blood anti-semitism started in Catholic Spain and was picked up the the Protestants. Martin Luther on his death bed cursed the Jews and wished that they would be burned. That Protestant Nazi got his wish.

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Agree 100%.



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12 Jan 2011, 11:36 am

ruveyn wrote:
pgd wrote:
Are Christians responsible for the continuing hatred of Judaism/Jews today by their annual Christian non-profit festivals such as Lent where they continue to badmouth the Jews as being the people who murdered Jesus Christ on a cross? Rather than forgive Judaism/the Jews, the Christians bring the topic up once a year and use the non-profit religious festival of Easter as another occasion to promote Christianity and hate Judaism/the Jews.



The big Jew hating extravaganza is the Passion Play at Oberramegau.

Please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberammergau_Passion_Play

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ruveyn - Agree. Some of the Christian Passion Plays are exactly what you describe: big Judaism/Jew hating extravaganzas produced by non-profit, corrupt Pope worshipping Catholics/non-profit, corrupt Martin Luther worshipping Christians. - pgd



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12 Jan 2011, 11:38 am

Since when is easter an opportunity to incite hate for Jewish people?



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12 Jan 2011, 11:44 am

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Since when is easter an opportunity to incite hate for Jewish people?


A very ready opportunity. Consider the Passion Plays.

There are zealous Christians who blame the Jews for the crucifixion of Yashki Pundric. Over 90 percent of the Jews of the world, at that time, lived in the Dispersion (Diaspara) in Babylon (now Persia). They never even heard of Yashki Pundric.

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12 Jan 2011, 12:12 pm

bah, I've been to a play that reenacted the resurrection of Jesus it wasn't at all hateful, and the Greeks where implicated partially. Hateful people will use anything to create more hate, doesn't mean the tools the use are hateful. Thats like combining all the hate on the Internet and labeling the Internet a tool for hate, its an over generalization and really misses the whole point.



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12 Jan 2011, 12:18 pm

ruveyn wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Since when is easter an opportunity to incite hate for Jewish people?


A very ready opportunity. Consider the Passion Plays.

There are zealous Christians who blame the Jews for the crucifixion of Yashki Pundric. Over 90 percent of the Jews of the world, at that time, lived in the Dispersion (Diaspara) in Babylon (now Persia). They never even heard of Yashki Pundric.

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Agree 100%.

If one looks carefully at how the New Testament, the gospels are written, the clear message is to badmouth Judaism/the Jews and to promote Christianity as better.

Some Passion Plays are less anti-Judaism/anti-Jews than others but if one clearly looks at the message from the gospels of the New Testament, the message is one of plainly promoting hatred of Judaism/the Jews.

Principle involved (my view):

Your religion is better than my religion vs My religion is better than your religion.



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12 Jan 2011, 12:48 pm

pgd wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Since when is easter an opportunity to incite hate for Jewish people?


A very ready opportunity. Consider the Passion Plays.

There are zealous Christians who blame the Jews for the crucifixion of Yashki Pundric. Over 90 percent of the Jews of the world, at that time, lived in the Dispersion (Diaspara) in Babylon (now Persia). They never even heard of Yashki Pundric.

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Agree 100%.

If one looks carefully at how the New Testament, the gospels are written, the clear message is to badmouth Judaism/the Jews and to promote Christianity as better.

Some Passion Plays are less anti-Judaism/anti-Jews than others but if one clearly looks at the message from the gospels of the New Testament, the message is one of plainly promoting hatred of Judaism/the Jews.

Principle involved (my view):

Your religion is better than my religion vs My religion is better than your religion.


Could you give specific examples of implicit hate in the text?

As for your whole principle thing, think ones religion is better than another is not equal to hating another religion.



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12 Jan 2011, 1:24 pm

This thread looks to me like it is just another attempt to bash Christians. I think the overwhelming majority of Christians take no issue with Jewish People. If you want to look for anti-sematism these days, you see more blatent examples from Muslims.



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12 Jan 2011, 1:41 pm

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This thread looks to me like it is just another attempt to bash Christians. I think the overwhelming majority of Christians take no issue with Jewish People. If you want to look for anti-sematism these days, you see more blatent examples from Muslims.


That we do. The Muslims have picked up right where Martin Luther left off.

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12 Jan 2011, 1:45 pm

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This thread looks to me like it is just another attempt to bash Christians. I think the overwhelming majority of Christians take no issue with Jewish People. If you want to look for anti-sematism these days, you see more blatent examples from Muslims.


+1

Most of the "hate" being attributed to Christians stems from what came to be known as the Spanish Inquisition, and no doubt Hitler and perhaps others (not all that religious) used the Jews as a convenient scapegoat for public anger, but since WWII, to say modern Christians hate Jews is hard to prove. I see anything but that.



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12 Jan 2011, 1:47 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
This thread looks to me like it is just another attempt to bash Christians. I think the overwhelming majority of Christians take no issue with Jewish People. If you want to look for anti-sematism these days, you see more blatent examples from Muslims.


+1

Most of the "hate" being attributed to Christians stems from what came to be known as the Spanish Inquisition, and no doubt Hitler and perhaps others (not all that religious) used the Jews as a convenient scapegoat for public anger, but since WWII, to say modern Christians hate Jews is hard to prove. I see anything but that.


Martin Luther, the god-father of the Protestant movement cursed the Jews on his death bed.

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