DNC caught trying organize protests in Wisconsin

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17 Feb 2011, 7:19 pm

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... tests.html

Well we know the Dems are in bed with the Unions, and Obama is in on it too. We've now seen how out of touch the left is with the general public.



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17 Feb 2011, 8:50 pm

So the DNC is standing up for the human right to organise? Sacrilege! Don't you know that the DNC is supposed to stand only for abusing human rights? The DNC shows principles - now that's something to celebrate. You'll say that this is just a cynical attempt to protect people who support it? So, why not condemn the GOP for its association with the besieged and totally impoverished and put upon Chamber of Commerce and its incessant complaints, its culture of whining?



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17 Feb 2011, 8:52 pm

What do you mean "caught?" Why shouldn't the DNC be engaged in political activism? Is that not their sole purpose for existence? Are you surprised that the Democrats are pro-union?

I really don't see the surprise or outrage. There's a political dispute going on in relation to state employees, and a large liberal group is working to support the workers. You can very well take the opposite stance, but why on Earth would you be surprised at their stance? And how is this some nefarious plot? They weren't "caught" doing anything because they weren't hiding it or creating front groups and astroturf movements.


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17 Feb 2011, 8:55 pm

xenon13 wrote:
So the DNC is standing up for the human right to organise? Sacrilege! Don't you know that the DNC is supposed to stand only for abusing human rights? The DNC shows principles - now that's something to celebrate. You'll say that this is just a cynical attempt to protect people who support it? So, why not condemn the GOP for its association with the besieged and totally impoverished and put upon Chamber of Commerce and its incessant complaints, its culture of whining?


The state of Wisconsin doesn't have the money, the only other option is they start firing teachers or raise taxes to insane levels. Heaven forbid they have to pay half of their retirement contributions and have to pay a little more on healthcare premiums, oh the horror... :roll:



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18 Feb 2011, 7:08 am

There is plenty of money out there that they won't touch. Why? It's not "low-hanging fruit". The private sector workers have been looted and now they're setting their sights on the public sector workers and are whipping up the Culture of Envy to get their victims to cheer the creation of new victims. Meanwhile the billionaires who caused the trouble and have the money remain protected and above the reach of any law, as effectively they are the law.



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18 Feb 2011, 9:12 am

Inuyasha wrote:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0211/DNC_playing_role_in_Wisconsin_protests.html

Well we know the Dems are in bed with the Unions, and Obama is in on it too. We've now seen how out of touch the left is with the general public.


What is wrong with DNC people helping government parasites and drones to demonstrate against cutbacks and give backs?

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18 Feb 2011, 9:26 am

What is wrong is educators, medical profesionals, and certain others I will circumspectly not enumerate going on strike.

I see nothing wrong with lawmakers going on strike - perhaps it should happen more often - but it is childish.



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18 Feb 2011, 9:55 am

Um, doesn't the first amendment guarantee the right to peaceably assemble? Leave it to a right-winger to deny anyone that right.


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18 Feb 2011, 10:37 am

I don't see the issue. The republican party blew a gasket when it was about taxes on the richest. Why can't unions do the same for their own interest. One cannot be economically precious only when it suits the donors.


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18 Feb 2011, 11:29 am

How is this any different from the Brooks Brothers Brigade or any other republican organized action?


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18 Feb 2011, 11:34 am

MasterJedi wrote:
Um, doesn't the first amendment guarantee the right to peaceably assemble? Leave it to a right-winger to deny anyone that right.


Was that to my address? If so, point is not clear and assumptions baseless. If not, no need to comment.

I know I sometimes fail to do it myself, but when these get past a fairly low limit of complexity indications of to what one is responding are helpful.



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18 Feb 2011, 12:49 pm

91 wrote:
I don't see the issue. The republican party blew a gasket when it was about taxes on the richest. Why can't unions do the same for their own interest. One cannot be economically precious only when it suits the donors.


Then we have something like this:

The Democratic National Committee's Organizing for America arm -- the remnant of the 2008 Obama campaign -- is playing an active role in organizing protests against Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's attempt to strip most public employees of collective bargaining rights.
http://nation.foxnews.com/wisconsin-pro ... n-protests

So it looks like the Obama Campaign is involved which makes it more than a simple Free Speech Issue. If Unions want to make fools of themselves so be it, but Obama and his cronies should not be sticking their noses into this.



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18 Feb 2011, 1:07 pm

Inuyasha -

while I tend to agree [though it is funny how rarely we say "cronies" referring to people with whom we agree], I do not think there is any constitutional clause or principle restraining the Chief Executive from political activity, or limiting the types of political activity in which he may engage. In fact there is plentiful precedent for politically active presidents.

Whatever I may think of the ethics, I don't think one can stop it, and I believe many would say he has an obligation to poke around in politics, and maybe does not do it enough.



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18 Feb 2011, 1:10 pm

Philologos wrote:
MasterJedi wrote:
Um, doesn't the first amendment guarantee the right to peaceably assemble? Leave it to a right-winger to deny anyone that right.


Was that to my address? If so, point is not clear and assumptions baseless. If not, no need to comment.

I know I sometimes fail to do it myself, but when these get past a fairly low limit of complexity indications of to what one is responding are helpful.


to the OP


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18 Feb 2011, 1:12 pm

Philologos wrote:
while I tend to agree [though it is funny how rarely we say "cronies" referring to people with whom we agree], I do not think there is any constitutional clause or principle restraining the Chief Executive from political activity, or limiting the types of political activity in which he may engage. In fact there is plentiful precedent for politically active presidents.


They are organizing riots in states to try to disrupt the elected state governments. These aren't other Countries, these are States that are a part of the United States.

Now we have a president not just taking rhetorical sides in a state issue, but actively mobilizing his political organization to affect the outcome(s), even though (to my knowledge) nothing that Gov. Walker or any other belated statehouse cost-cutter is doing has a damned thing to do with federal law.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/02/18/is-th ... tcontainer

We could argue this is an impeachable offense.



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18 Feb 2011, 1:15 pm

MasterJedi wrote:
Philologos wrote:
MasterJedi wrote:
Um, doesn't the first amendment guarantee the right to peaceably assemble? Leave it to a right-winger to deny anyone that right.


Was that to my address? If so, point is not clear and assumptions baseless. If not, no need to comment.

I know I sometimes fail to do it myself, but when these get past a fairly low limit of complexity indications of to what one is responding are helpful.


to the OP


Nuf said - did not sound like to me.