attacking little girls for going to school: guesss where?

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Not Afghanistan, and not Muslims.

http://skepchick.org/2011/10/ultra-orthodox-men/

The Ultra-Orthodox activism within parts of Israel often becomes outrageous. Gender segregated buses, the violent protesting of the car-park last year and recently their battles over schools worries me.

I am however wary of your source LKL, it seems more interested in triggering outrage than in providing a reader with the facts. The idea that we who support Israel are unaware of the Ultra-Orthodox phenomenon is a bit silly. Especially since the harshest critics of the antics of Ultra-Orthodox protesters are the Israeli citizens themselves. Legitimate criticism of their protests can be found in most Israeli newspapers; my favorite and the one most widely read by the leaders of Israel is haaretz, which never shys away from condemning antics that go way too far.

In general I support Israel; that does not mean I am a one sided supporter who does not criticize some aspects of Israeli society. The state of Israel, is built on the idea that all of its citizens will fight if necessary; Ultra-Orthodox adherents, in general, are the largest evaders of military service in Israel. As a result, they are deeply unpopular with most Israeli right wing politicians. The trouble is, that they are a growing segment of the population and as such they believe their opinions are entitled greater reach.

Israel is presently engaged in a slow but meaningful discussion about what to do with regards to this demographic shift. The Ultra-Orthodox will most likely find themselves having to make serious concessions to the demands of the orthodox right wing and will most likely have to serve their share in the army. Traditionally they have been viewed mostly as bums and dismissed as being unimportant, but their increasing numbers makes engagement with this group more necessary.

Any time you have a theocracy, it's going to cause problems. Israel would have peace now if it weren't for the fundies claiming that all of Palestine is their 'god-given' right, and if this segment of the population gets more power things are just going to get worse.

Shame on them for the narrow mindedness. But at least they don't cut the clitorises off from little girls.

ruveyn

Obession about gender the one of the most incidious opinions that NTs have that iit is polluted religion

And apparently once its in its hardwired. Strange stuff.

Well, to be fair the Palestineans will agree to a peace accord as long as it only gives the Jews the Mediterranean sea - preferably the bottom of it.

Libelous and unhelpful.
and really an excuse for genocide on the part of the Israelis.

No, I'd call it an excuse for the UN to bring up with Abass the number of times Israel has offered peace, especially looking at accords offered under Clinton, and flatly refused. If the Israeli's have a few radicalized rabbis, if they want to stay on the right side of this they'll handle internal problems like that firmly rather than devolving to the same psychological level as their opposition. They know that without international support their dead in the water.

To make something else clear NOTHING justifies genocide.

I doubt whether the Israelis will resort to genocide. Most of them are still Jews. They would be too ashamed to resort to genocide and they will cost them their lives.

ruveyn

Reminds me of a newstory on the radio that I was half listening to some years ago about some terror suspect who eneded up in gitmo.

How he was born in Pakistan, and how as a child he moved with his mom to the UK. But what caught my ear was that while living in Britian his Mom sent him to "an orthodox Jewish school".

It caused me to do a double take at the radio. A guy who supposidly grew up to become a Jihadist was sent by his family to a Jewish school- to be educated by the Zionist enemy?

It seemed illogical for one second but suddenly made sense after two seconds of thought- because - it occured to me that - if I were a muslim parent stranded in Brtian I might send my kid to a school where they dont eat pork and have strict dress codes and have gender aparheid. Despite the enmity between the two faiths it actually makes sense. And indeed the newscaster went on to say that the reason that his parents did that was that an orthodox jewish schooling wsa the closest thing they could find to a strict muslim schooling for their kid in the UK.

Ironic.

This story underscores that similarity.

I met a Jewish lady book author in a bookstore in Miami who mentioned in the lecture about her book that her son who had moved to Australia had writen her letters complaining that they couldnt find "one gender only beaches for thier children".

Aparently Australia both generates and attracts religous fanatics.

The founders of that Creation sceince musuem in Tenessee were not local bilble belters but were evangelicals from Australia.

Then theres Mel Gibson and his Dad who are memebers of a fervent Catholic sect.

And then there this lady's son who actually gives a daman about one gender only beaches.

So despite the fact the USA is the most religous Anglo Saxon country- Australia seems to be fast becoming the most religously looney country in the West- both attracting and generating fanatics in Protestantism, Catholicism, and in Judaism!

I work with a west African guy named Mohammed who complains about how some of his countrymen return from studying in Pakistan and come back with crazy ideas about Islam that are actually at odds with the Koran ( ie the Koran says 'to dress modestly not to cover your body head to toe").

Australia may become the Pakistan of the West.

That would really suck, because if I ever have the money some day I'd love to retire in the Goldcoast/Brisbain area. Its probably one of the few places I've ever been that I was that impressed by.

i'm going to need a few more sources on this one.

Ridiculous.

Which they actually don't do in Afghanistan at all. It's an African norm, not a Muslim one and it's prevalent on Islan's frontier, not its centre.

My life will be partly dedicated to making the lives of hateful misogynists and gutless androphobes change their ways or live in misery.

The same narrow minded Ultra Orhtodox don't hijack commercial air flights and crash them into tall buildings filled with unarmed people. Try blaming THAT on the Africans.

ruveyn

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