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The BEP, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, the group who prints our money, is an ultra-left wing organization which must be eliminated! They are sending secret codes out to all to all leftists telling them to vote in the 2008 elections! Just look at who's on our money:

penny ~ Abraham Lincoln - If he'd been alive today he would have been a Democrat, according to Bill O'Reilly.

nickel ~ Thomas Jefferson - The poster child for liberalism worldwide!

dime ~ F.D.R - Arguably one of the most liberal presidents of all time. The New Deal will be the end of this country.

quarter ~ Washington The only true patriot to be honored on American currency.

half-dollar ~ J.F.K. - Benjamin Franklin - The former was an out-of-control liberal. The latter, you get the picture.

dollar coins ~ Susan B. Anthony - A radical feminist. Before Betty Friedan and the 1960's, there was Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and the 1860's!

$10 bill ~ Alexander Hamilton - He wasn't even American! This is their way of promoting illegal immigration, or as leftists like to call it, "Und0cumented immigrants"! Don't be fooled. It is a secret code from the Illuminati passed down through the ages culminating in the election of 2008.

$20 bill ~ Andrew Jackson - He was so liberal, they called him King!

$50 ~ Ulysses S. Grant - An embarrassment to the Republican party. Black Friday, Whiskey Ring, they just won't let us let sleeping dogs lie.

$500 ~ William McKinley - The mantra of many liberals, "The only good Republican is a dead Republican!" William Henry Harrison, Lincoln, McKinley, Garfield, they tried to kill Reagan. The nerve of those Democrats!

$1000 ~ Grover Cleveland - A monument to Charles Guitteau, a secret nod to the assassination and rebellion during Republican administrations. Modern day examples include cries of election-stealing in 2000 and 2004.

$5000 ~ James Madison - Early evidence seems to indicate he was a patriot, but modern day implications of earlier writings indicate he may have been a spy.

$10000 ~ Salmon Chase - Just another concomitant liberal.

Finally,

The $100000 bill ~ Woodrow Wilson - One of the most liberal presidents, after LBJ, Clinton, and Kennedy.

Believe what you'd like. The evidence is remarkably crystal clear.

Footnote: I have been a numismatist for 9 years, all of the above information is accurate.

You forget the Nixon $3.00 bill

This is a joke, right? I mean, I'm pretty sure it is, but I just needed to check.

haha

For the sake of VoluminousFlush, I hope it is!!

The sad part is, he probably thinks he's being exceedingly clever...

*giggles*

We should have another forum around here called "The Propaganda Forum." Then we will have just the place for such mindless propaganda.

- Ray M -

Mean what you say and say what you mean ~ Patton



I am. It would shock you to see in my head.

Wasn't the USA set up for human rights and religous tolerance and equality for all and freedom and good friendships with the French (where did that statue of Liberty come from and who helped boot out the English) - and the current government is just an aberration.

If James Madison was really a leftist, wouldn't he have included the right to food, shelter, clothing, education and health care in his bill of rights, and all this would be government funded for those who needed help with it?

There isn't much remaining of the documents that used to define what it is to be American. Apparently you are still allowed to own a gun and shoot your best friend in the face - at least Dick Cheney would agree.

(just don't do it with a waterpistol on an aeroplane)

"We should have another forum around here called "The Propaganda Forum." Then we will have just the place for such mindless propaganda. "

This is the forum for that, it is all the craziest talk ever.
Although there are some rare few pieces of gold that come up once in a while.

The US was set up to get away from Europe and to set up strange religions and cults far away from the European continent and outside influences as the pilgrams were just religious extremists like depicted in The Scarlet Letter. The people that left Europe weren't necessarily oppressed at all, and although the US was more tolerant of different religions than other areas it was still massively behind what we would consider to be acceptable today and we have historically been a nation of racists, religious nuts, and such, abortion today is like prohibition was a while back and at the very least we aren't putting middle-easterners into camps like FDR was doing to Japanese. The reason why we broke away from England is because we no longer needed them(we got rid of the problems with enemy harassment) and because we hated taxes, we said we didn't like taxation without representation and that is true, but we probably wouldn't have liked taxation with representation either. We weren't majorly oppressed and only about half of the colonists really wanted the war to begin with anyway. We also don't have a history of good relations with the french as we have almost gone to war with them in the past and have placed embargoes on their goods. There was a pro-french party in the US and a pro-british party from the very start as well so it cannot be fairly said that we have always liked the french. The French only helped us for their own interests anyway, they hated england and wanted to free/help a revolution in an English colony to piss England off. After that we went our own way despite their desires(they wanted to keep us under their thumb, and were only allies of convenience). I would hardly consider this presidency an abberration, it is not a great presidency, some were better, others were worse, however, Bush as a president has not really done anything extremely extreme, he just hasn't been incredibly good, the most extreme thing he has done is probably the deficit.

James Madison was not said to be a leftist in the OP, he was said to be a spy. This is a claim I tend to doubt as he created our form of government(like I believe you said as well), and a spy would have you know, created an inherently crappy system, not one that has lasted and been effective this long. Frankly, the OP is wrong about Thomas Jefferson, who was not a leftist like the OP seems be insinuating, Thomas Jefferson was pretty much a classical liberal(the term liberal has changed in meaning over time) who believed in small government and heavy restrictions on government power unlike modern liberals who belief in the use of power for some form of societal benefit. He would probably have been a libertarian today because he would hate every single government intervention that we have done seeing them as abridgements of freedom. The OP was also wrong about Alexander Hamilton who was an American because he was present during the the founding of our Constitution which effectively legalized him, he could have even legally gone for the presidency(but he would never have won because he was too controversial of a figure).

Yeah, and back in the time of the founding fathers duels were allowable. Founding father Alexander Hamilton was killed in a duel with Aaron Burr and I am sure countless other people have gotten involved in duels throughout our nation's history and what is a duel other than shooting somebody in the face, except in a duel you are trying to kill them, at least in a hunting accident you aren't supposed to be trying.

I think if I was "duelling" with a gun, I'd aim for the chest - as it presents a bigger target than the head and I'm not that great a shot - well not standing up with nothing solid to brace the gun against. But I think duelling has always been illegal in Australia and its colonies.

I had a little trouble (from far away) figuring out what Abraham Lincoln did - he lead the winning side of the civil war, and ended up freeing the slaves in the south - though I doubt that was the sole reason for the war. But he didn't write the constitution or the bill of rights. He might have amended the bill of rights somewhat.

I think we've got a lot of wage slaves in Western Society. It used to be when you were a real slave, and you had a master that did the right thing, that he (or she) would provide you with accommodation, food, health care, and maybe some education - depending on whether this seemed worthwhile. But now people can be paid stuff all and expected to cover all their living expenses with that. Doesn't seem quite so fair.

As for the "Liberal" thing, I think that maybe VF is confusing "Liberal" with "left" or "socialist" or even Facist - though I'm fuzzy on how you get from socialist to facist. The Liberal Party in Australia is more like the USA Republicans than the Democrats. Our Libs want to sell off every government asset (though the "socialist" Labor party started this first), and do away with public health care, they've almost done away with public education - parents have to pay fees for government schools now. And they're trying to cut back on social services like government support for the unemployed, disabled, students, old people, single mothers etc etc. Ironically they (the Libs) want us to breed up but the only ones who can afford to do it comfortably are the really poor, usually unemployed, on government assistance. Those are the people I'd give free long acting birth control.

Our main alternative party to the Libs, seen as "left" and "socialist" is the Labor party, which started up out of the Trade Unions, Grapes of Wrath style. They run all our state governments at the moment - but it is very hard to tell them apart from the Federal Liberal Government. Our Labor party is vaguely equivalent to the USA Democrats.

Abraham Lincoln went to war in order to save the union. The republican party at that time was anti-slavery and because he won the election the south got all afraid that he'd take their slaves away(or maybe that the politics at the day had turned against them) and they rebelled in order to preserve their slaves. They thought that their rebellion was a correct thing to do as they believed in their right to have slaves and they believed that they also had the right to rebel as they saw states as having the ability to leave the union. Lincoln didn't like that so the north went to war in the south, Lincoln declared freedom for slaves in the south(which he had no control over at that point and did just to appease the abolitionist branch of his party), he also defied the constitution and removed freedom in some border states but he won the war.

I am not going to argue about wage-slavery, however, slaves were not really treated that well, they were denied education if possible, and they got as little stuff as possible to maintain their survival often times, this does not mean that some masters weren't kind, however, it is doubtful that slaves would have really gotten much in medical care. If slaves weren't so valuable owners wouldn't really care if they died. In modern society people are free to select their employer and both sides are relatively free to work out whatever deal benefits both sides. If the labor is highly valuable to the employer the money can be a lot, if the labor is very common then the employer won't be willing to pay much. Both sides have the freedom to agree to or reject the terms of the transaction of labor for money. It is quite a bit better than slavery was back in those days as individuals have much greater freedom than they did back then.

VF is not really that confused, we have 2 parties, and the members of our more left-wing party are known as "liberals". The thing is that liberalism was originally a belief in small, unintrusive government. It is not really that much of a stretch from fascism to socialism as they both believe strongly in economic interventionism, the fascist Nazi party is also called the National Socialist party.

Geez, and here I thought it was the Freemasons....

That is probably more convincing.