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05 Apr 2011, 2:51 am

http://www.ksrevenue.org/faqs-abcdrugtax.htm

>.< wtf? If we are already taxing the damn stuff why shouldn't it just be sold openly?



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05 Apr 2011, 2:54 am

This is for real? Isaac H. Newton! What in the hell?
So you can go to jail for intent to sell an illegal substance, and on top of that, not paying the taxes on this controlled substance you aren't even supposed to have?! ! 8O


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05 Apr 2011, 3:26 am

lol this is quite honestly the stupidest thing I ever read. I want to see the guy who's great idea this was.

edit: wow I can't believe I've never heard of this. Apparently 10 states including my own have this. This is honestly the most absurd thing I've ever heard of.



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05 Apr 2011, 3:37 am

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not paying the taxes on this controlled substance you aren't even supposed to have?! ! 8O


If a substance is illegal in the first place, you can't tax it. That's the whole point.

You can either legalise and tax it or keep it illegal and don't. The choice is theirs.



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05 Apr 2011, 4:47 am

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lol this is quite honestly the stupidest thing I ever read. I want to see the guy who's great idea this was.

edit: wow I can't believe I've never heard of this. Apparently 10 states including my own have this. This is honestly the most absurd thing I've ever heard of.


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05 Apr 2011, 9:38 am

ikorack wrote:
http://www.ksrevenue.org/faqs-abcdrugtax.htm

>.< wtf? If we are already taxing the damn stuff why shouldn't it just be sold openly?


That's just so you can upscale the charges against people. Tax evasion on top of the drug possession laws. Double jeopardy, in a way.


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05 Apr 2011, 9:39 am

I'm surprised so many of you aren't familiar with the various illegal drug taxes. It's more of a legal manipulation than a legitimate tax, like I said above.


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05 Apr 2011, 9:53 am

skafather84 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
http://www.ksrevenue.org/faqs-abcdrugtax.htm

>.< wtf? If we are already taxing the damn stuff why shouldn't it just be sold openly?


That's just so you can upscale the charges against people. Tax evasion on top of the drug possession laws. Double jeopardy, in a way.
That or charge em with tax evasion if you can't stick any other charge on em. But yeah I'm surprised people didn't know this either cuz it's nothing new. It's the only thing they were able to charge Al Capone with.



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05 Apr 2011, 10:03 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
http://www.ksrevenue.org/faqs-abcdrugtax.htm

>.< wtf? If we are already taxing the damn stuff why shouldn't it just be sold openly?


That's just so you can upscale the charges against people. Tax evasion on top of the drug possession laws. Double jeopardy, in a way.
That or charge em with tax evasion if you can't stick any other charge on em. But yeah I'm surprised people didn't know this either cuz it's nothing new. It's the only thing they were able to charge Al Capone with.


Except Capone ran booze.


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05 Apr 2011, 10:04 am

skafather84 wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
http://www.ksrevenue.org/faqs-abcdrugtax.htm

>.< wtf? If we are already taxing the damn stuff why shouldn't it just be sold openly?


That's just so you can upscale the charges against people. Tax evasion on top of the drug possession laws. Double jeopardy, in a way.
That or charge em with tax evasion if you can't stick any other charge on em. But yeah I'm surprised people didn't know this either cuz it's nothing new. It's the only thing they were able to charge Al Capone with.


Except Capone ran booze.
Well yeah but the point is it's just another way to bust crooks for selling illegal s**t.



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05 Apr 2011, 10:06 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
http://www.ksrevenue.org/faqs-abcdrugtax.htm

>.< wtf? If we are already taxing the damn stuff why shouldn't it just be sold openly?


That's just so you can upscale the charges against people. Tax evasion on top of the drug possession laws. Double jeopardy, in a way.
That or charge em with tax evasion if you can't stick any other charge on em. But yeah I'm surprised people didn't know this either cuz it's nothing new. It's the only thing they were able to charge Al Capone with.


Except Capone ran booze.
Well yeah but the point is it's just another way to bust crooks for selling illegal sh**.


Yep. A lot of states that ran/still run those programs don't actually SELL the tax stamps.


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05 Apr 2011, 10:10 am

If you what to create a black market for cheaper drugs then yes go ahead & do it.



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05 Apr 2011, 10:25 am

Apparently these taxes are more trouble then they are worth. The devil is in the details like so many other things. If a drug dealer unsuccessfully tries to flush his stash down the toilet shouldn't the police wait for it to dry out before weighing it to fairly assess the tax? If a marijuana stash has a lot of seeds and stems in it the dealer can argue that they should be removed before weighing to assess the tax. The dealer can argue that since his cocaine is cut down so much it should only be taxed at half the rate. The state does get free money from stamp collectors who want the drug tax stamps for their collections though.

My state levies taxes on illegal tobacco sales too. I had the idea of actually paying the tax and getting the stamps for a trunk full of cigarettes and start an illegal cigarette selling business out of the trunk of my car. Hopefully I'd go through several trunks before getting caught and having everything seized at which point I'd produce the stamps and say that I payed taxes on that particular trunk of cigarettes.

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05 Apr 2011, 12:19 pm

I've seen John Stossel write several interesting articles about illegal drug sales in America. I believe he even had a show about them.

It isn't about taxing drugs, but saw this article a week ago.

JOHN STOSSEL: End the Drug War, Save Black America

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/03/ ... k-america/

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One key to getting past the race issue in America is to end the war on drugs. John McWhorter says it's the most important thing we could do.
Cato's Letter features a lecture by McWhorter, who will be a guest on my Fox Business show this week, in which he calls for an end to the war on drugs. (It's really a war on certain people.) McWhorter, the former Berkeley linguistics professor and now senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, specifically indicts the war on drugs for "destroying black America." McWhorter, by the way, is black.
The "main obstacle(s) to getting black America past the illusion that racism is still a defining factor in America" are, he says, "the strained relationship between young black men and police forces" and the "massive number of black men in prison."
And what accounts for this? Prohibition.
"Therefore, if the War on Drugs were terminated, the main factor keeping race-based resentment a core element in the American social fabric would no longer exist. America would be a better place for all."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/03/ ... z1IfbxvYwu



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05 Apr 2011, 1:02 pm

Mack27 wrote:
... I had the idea of actually paying the tax and getting the stamps for a trunk full of cigarettes and start an illegal cigarette selling business out of the trunk of my car. Hopefully I'd go through several trunks before getting caught and having everything seized at which point I'd produce the stamps and say that I payed taxes on that particular trunk of cigarettes.


That done happen in the UK. In 1999 Duty-free was abolished for travel within the European Union. We in the UK have the highest taxes on alcohol and tobacco. So what mosty happens is that someone gets a van or car for a ferry ride to France &/or Ireland to stock up on cheep alcohol & tobacco.



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07 Apr 2011, 11:31 am

I see absolutely no public policy argument against taxing illegal activity.

Drug sales represent a significant amount of economic activity, whether we approve of it or not. The money that leaves the buyer's hand was earned, and the money that comes to the seller will go on to fund other activities--most of them legitimate.

The basic principle of taxation is that it should be spread progressively, across a broad base, so that it's impact is as fair as possible. What is fair about allowing a dealer to earn significant income tax free, while his neighbour is paying tax on his own self-employment income? What is fair about putting sales and excise taxes on alcohol and tobacco, but allowing other goods to go untaxed?

And this doesn't apply merely to drugs--it applies to the entire gray market, too.

In Canada the principal is very clear. You can declare your sales (for GST/HST purposes) and income (for income tax purposes) to the CRA and that information is completely exempt from disclosure to other agencies (except for the narrow issue of tax offences).


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