Overqualified: What's Wrong With European Labor Markets

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16 Apr 2011, 2:21 pm

By Bryan Caplan(my favourite economist and one of the best in the world,he outsmarts scumbag like Paul Krugman 1000:1)

One of the most striking things about Denmark and Sweden: Almost everyone is overqualified for his job. The guy who sells train tickets doesn't just punch buttons and collect cash; he knows his regional transit network like the back of his hand, and eagerly helps you plan your trip.

I'm sure that most American tourists find this a welcome change of pace. Imagine a country where you never have to ask, "Could I talk to your supervisor?" But it's highly inefficient. In the U.S., the Dane who mans the ticket window would run the whole office. In Denmark, he spends 59 minutes out of 60 doing mindless, menial work.

When I explained my observation to some Swedes, there was an interesting misunderstanding. One told me: "Unskilled workers? We don't have unskilled workers." I replied, "I've seen guys picking up garbage. Isn't that unskilled?" And the Swede answered, "We have unskilled work, but not unskilled workers." My point exactly.

What's going on? Americans tend to credit Europe's better schools, but I doubt that's a major part of the story. The main reason why European workers seem so good, as many Scandinavians admitted, is that they keep semi-competent workers permanently on welfare.

It's tempting to see this approach as "more efficient" or "kinder-hearted" than ours, but it's neither. Using high-skilled workers to sell train tickets when low-skilled workers are almost as good violates the principle of comparative advantage. And it's hardly kind to create a system where workers feel unchallenged, and non-workers feel useless. The European approach may be good for flustered tourists. But for the Europeans themselves, it's a tragic waste.



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16 Apr 2011, 2:42 pm

I know man, it CAN'T be the better school system since their government runs it and nothing government run works.



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16 Apr 2011, 3:02 pm

In the U.S., our government runs our school system too.

If Caplan's observations are correct, Sweden must have much lower percentages of unskilled workers than the U.S. does. I wonder why that is? Could it be that their policy of giving welfare checks to affluent people who have kids just as much as to unemployed people who have kids helps avoid an uneducated work force? They do seem to have much lower rates of teen pregnancy.



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16 Apr 2011, 3:12 pm

psychohist wrote:
In the U.S., our government runs our school system too.

If Caplan's observations are correct, Sweden must have much lower percentages of unskilled workers than the U.S. does. I wonder why that is? Could it be that their policy of giving welfare checks to affluent people who have kids just as much as to unemployed people who have kids helps avoid an uneducated work force? They do seem to have much lower rates of teen pregnancy.


I been doing a bit of research into Caplan & so far what I have is that he is prone to being attitudinal and ad hoc in his philosophy plus he has the habit of factal errors, this is based on his book The Myth of Rational Voter Also his essay "Columbus: The Far Left is Dead Right" recived this comment from Bradford DeLong.

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Caplan [is] the stupidest man alive



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16 Apr 2011, 3:24 pm

Perhaps it's because here in Sweden education is free all the way through, even university. Plus students get money to live on while they are studying.



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16 Apr 2011, 3:50 pm

The missing questions:

1) Is the high skilled worker happy selling the train tickets?
2) What exactly is low skill v. high skill, anyway? We all consider fast food low skill, and yet it is a job I would truly be horrible at. Give me my so called high skill profession, and I do very well. So ... I don't believe in low skill v. high skill, just different skill. Some skills require more formal education, and others rely more on natural ability, but it is still "skill" and worthy of respect.


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16 Apr 2011, 4:08 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
The missing questions:

1) Is the high skilled worker happy selling the train tickets?
2) What exactly is low skill v. high skill, anyway? We all consider fast food low skill, and yet it is a job I would truly be horrible at. Give me my so called high skill profession, and I do very well. So ... I don't believe in low skill v. high skill, just different skill. Some skills require more formal education, and others rely more on natural ability, but it is still "skill" and worthy of respect.


I'll add two missing questions to yours as an European

1) Only based on the OP's source, do you think that Caplan has travelled to Europe?
2) What knowledge of European labour markets is Caplan basing his views on?

As he is using Scandinavian countries to base his views on the whole of Europe, thats like picking three or four states in the US to base a view on North America.



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16 Apr 2011, 4:40 pm

also good points, cdfox7.


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16 Apr 2011, 4:45 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
The missing questions:

1) Is the high skilled worker happy selling the train tickets?
2) What exactly is low skill v. high skill, anyway? We all consider fast food low skill, and yet it is a job I would truly be horrible at. Give me my so called high skill profession, and I do very well. So ... I don't believe in low skill v. high skill, just different skill. Some skills require more formal education, and others rely more on natural ability, but it is still "skill" and worthy of respect.


I'll add two missing questions to yours as an European

1) Only based on the OP's source, do you think that Caplan has travelled to Europe?
2) What knowledge of European labour markets is Caplan basing his views on?

As he is using Scandinavian countries to base his views on the whole of Europe, thats like picking three or four states in the US to base a view on North America.


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16 Apr 2011, 4:45 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
As he is using Scandinavian countries to base his views on the whole of Europe, thats like picking three or four states in the US to base a view on North America.


Yes, the Nordic countries (Scandinavian is a different term that excludes Iceland) are a whole different kettle of fish to the other European nations.



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16 Apr 2011, 4:58 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
What exactly is low skill v. high skill, anyway? We all consider fast food low skill, and yet it is a job I would truly be horrible at. Give me my so called high skill profession, and I do very well

High skill jobs require training or practice. That's not to say skill is the only thing that jobs require, but from a macroeconomic perspective, that's what makes high skill labor more valuable - because there first to be a significant investment in the worker first.

Also, fast food isn't just one job. It involves different jobs with different skill requirements.



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16 Apr 2011, 5:02 pm

Tequila wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
As he is using Scandinavian countries to base his views on the whole of Europe, thats like picking three or four states in the US to base a view on North America.


Yes, the Nordic countries (Scandinavian is a different term that excludes Iceland) are a whole different kettle of fish to the other European nations.


Don't go down road with Iceland my sister is pissed off them over the fish wars as she's a fishmonger.



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16 Apr 2011, 5:04 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
Don't go down road with Iceland my sister is pissed off them over the fish wars as she's a fishmonger.


They kept their territorial fishing waters, told the bank loan people where to get off and they don't want to be in the EU. Canny, bloody-minded folk, those Icelanders.

The Icelanders still see it as an immense point of national pride that they beat us in the Cod Wars, as I'm sure you'll know.



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16 Apr 2011, 5:08 pm

psychohist wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
What exactly is low skill v. high skill, anyway? We all consider fast food low skill, and yet it is a job I would truly be horrible at. Give me my so called high skill profession, and I do very well

High skill jobs require training or practice. That's not to say skill is the only thing that jobs require, but from a macroeconomic perspective, that's what makes high skill labor more valuable - because there has first to be a significant investment in the worker first.


Lol, I actually meant that more rhetorically; should have clarified. I know what people MEAN when they say it, but I challenge the terminology. I think it is inappropriate, for the reasons given.


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16 Apr 2011, 5:11 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
psychohist wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
What exactly is low skill v. high skill, anyway? We all consider fast food low skill, and yet it is a job I would truly be horrible at. Give me my so called high skill profession, and I do very well

High skill jobs require training or practice. That's not to say skill is the only thing that jobs require, but from a macroeconomic perspective, that's what makes high skill labor more valuable - because there has first to be a significant investment in the worker first.


Lol, I actually meant that more rhetorically; should have clarified. I know what people MEAN when they say it, but I challenge the terminology. I think it is inappropriate, for the reasons given.


I hear of it before tho there's a lot of subjectivity involved in classing what is high or low skilled work



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16 Apr 2011, 5:48 pm

Also learning shouldn't necessarily be linked to the job market. Maybe Swedes believe that as many people as possible should have access to a university education as a right? Knowledge advances the live's of these people. That is why they have a higher standard of living.