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22 Apr 2011, 1:36 pm

Swarthmore students award Patrick Michaels a Certificate of Excellence in Corporate Climatology for his efforts to derail green technology in favor for the oil industry - who happen to fund 40% percent of his research.

For the full story: http://www.polluterwatch.com/blog/swart ... otos-video
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22 Apr 2011, 1:38 pm

Well, at least he's honest about it.

The other side are total liars.



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22 Apr 2011, 1:40 pm

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Swarthmore students award Patrick Michaels a Certificate of Excellence in Corporate Climatology for his efforts to derail green technology in favor for the oil industry - who happen to fund 40% percent of his research.

For the full story: http://www.polluterwatch.com/blog/swart ... otos-video
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:lol: :lol: that's awesome


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22 Apr 2011, 1:40 pm

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Well, at least he's honest about it.

The other side are total liars.


Yes, the vast majority of the scientific community are total liars out to get you. Run! Run away!


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22 Apr 2011, 1:44 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Well, at least he's honest about it.

The other side are total liars.


Yes, the vast majority of the scientific community are total liars out to get you. Run! Run away!


Do you remember climategate?



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22 Apr 2011, 1:46 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Well, at least he's honest about it.

The other side are total liars.


Yes, the vast majority of the scientific community are total liars out to get you. Run! Run away!


Do you remember climategate?


Do you remember that the charges were dismissed?


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22 Apr 2011, 2:19 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Well, at least he's honest about it.

The other side are total liars.


Yes, the vast majority of the scientific community are total liars out to get you. Run! Run away!


Do you remember climategate?


Do you remember that the charges were dismissed?


Sadly that isn't going to matter to those not educated enough to understand the science. Why bother and learn the science yourself when it's so much easier to just take the word of partison political pundits and politicians? :roll:

Also, just to set the record, I'm not just bashing conservatives here. I also don't care for liberals who claim to be climate experts because they watched "An Inconvenient Truth" either.



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22 Apr 2011, 2:35 pm

marshall wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Well, at least he's honest about it.

The other side are total liars.


Yes, the vast majority of the scientific community are total liars out to get you. Run! Run away!


Do you remember climategate?


Do you remember that the charges were dismissed?


Sadly that isn't going to matter to those not educated enough to understand the science. Why bother and learn the science yourself when it's so much easier to just take the word of partison political pundits and politicians? :roll:

Also, just to set the record, I'm not just bashing conservatives here. I also don't care for liberals who claim to be climate experts because they watched "An Inconvenient Truth" either.


I agree I hate those types. The real problem is the right & left wing media. The right wing media takes things out of context in a negative (denialist) light, while the left wing media does it in a positive (alarmist) light. The truth is much more complicated and most of the research is tl;dr for most people yet they are still willing to make bold assertions supporting or denying it


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22 Apr 2011, 2:42 pm

Vigilans wrote:
marshall wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Well, at least he's honest about it.

The other side are total liars.


Yes, the vast majority of the scientific community are total liars out to get you. Run! Run away!


Do you remember climategate?


Do you remember that the charges were dismissed?


Sadly that isn't going to matter to those not educated enough to understand the science. Why bother and learn the science yourself when it's so much easier to just take the word of partison political pundits and politicians? :roll:

Also, just to set the record, I'm not just bashing conservatives here. I also don't care for liberals who claim to be climate experts because they watched "An Inconvenient Truth" either.


I agree I hate those types. The real problem is the right & left wing media. The right wing media takes things out of context in a negative (denialist) light, while the left wing media does it in a positive (alarmist) light. The truth is much more complicated and most of the research is tl;dr for most people yet they are still willing to make bold assertions supporting or denying it
Exactly. That's why I don't have a stance on climate change. A topic that involves interaction between so many factors would take a lot more to understand than some wikipedia or google searches.



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22 Apr 2011, 3:14 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Well, at least he's honest about it.

The other side are total liars.


Yes, the vast majority of the scientific community are total liars out to get you. Run! Run away!


Do you remember climategate?
Do you remember back when suffixing things with gate was a clever, non-silly thing to do?

That's because that never happened.


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22 Apr 2011, 3:15 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Well, at least he's honest about it.

The other side are total liars.


Yes, the vast majority of the scientific community are total liars out to get you. Run! Run away!


Do you remember climategate?
Do you remember back when suffixing things with gate was a clever, non-silly thing to do?

That's because that never happened.


:lol: why did you tell him?


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22 Apr 2011, 4:23 pm

I don't like the term "denier". It deliberately draws connotation with holocaust deniers. Global Warming Skeptics, Evolution Skeptics, Round Earth Skeptics, not deniers...


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22 Apr 2011, 4:26 pm

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I don't like the term "denier". It deliberately draws connotation with holocaust deniers. Global Warming Skeptics, Evolution Skeptics, Round Earth Skeptics, not deniers...


I differentiate between GW denialists and GW skeptics on the basis of the tactics they employ or their actual level of knowledge. Everyone who is supporting the notion should still be skeptical, likewise those opposed. Thus I lump alarmists and denialists into the same category of 'profiteering'


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22 Apr 2011, 5:12 pm

Denier is the only accurate term you can use for people actually thinking they can downright deny the climate change itself. Feel free to argue about the causes (even though I think the probability it is green house gases is very large) and about how to fix (I personally do not believe the fairy tale that just reducing emissions will magically make the problem go away, would rather they think of something like a giant fan, it is crazy but more realistic) but to say that there is no change is plain denial and the level of irrationality in that is similar to that of holocaust deniers in that they are attempting to deny truth because it doesn't fit their agenda.


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22 Apr 2011, 5:27 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
marshall wrote:
Sadly that isn't going to matter to those not educated enough to understand the science. Why bother and learn the science yourself when it's so much easier to just take the word of partison political pundits and politicians? :roll:

Also, just to set the record, I'm not just bashing conservatives here. I also don't care for liberals who claim to be climate experts because they watched "An Inconvenient Truth" either.


I agree I hate those types. The real problem is the right & left wing media. The right wing media takes things out of context in a negative (denialist) light, while the left wing media does it in a positive (alarmist) light. The truth is much more complicated and most of the research is tl;dr for most people yet they are still willing to make bold assertions supporting or denying it
Exactly. That's why I don't have a stance on climate change. A topic that involves interaction between so many factors would take a lot more to understand than some wikipedia or google searches.

I disapprove of the false equivalencies being drawn in these posts. It is not equivalent. One side is almost certainly actually correct, and one side is a whore to corporate interests that wish to short-sightedly pursue profits at the expense of the entire f*****g planet.


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22 Apr 2011, 5:38 pm

Vigilans wrote:
ryan93 wrote:
I don't like the term "denier". It deliberately draws connotation with holocaust deniers. Global Warming Skeptics, Evolution Skeptics, Round Earth Skeptics, not deniers...


I differentiate between GW denialists and GW skeptics on the basis of the tactics they employ or their actual level of knowledge. Everyone who is supporting the notion should still be skeptical, likewise those opposed. Thus I lump alarmists and denialists into the same category of 'profiteering'

I have personally worked with some of the data and it is very obvious that there is a warming trend (from many many different sources I might add, not just from thermometers at airports). Claims the trend can be explained by moved thermometers, by the urban heat island effect, claims that the majority of scientists thought the climate was cooling in the 70's, etc, etc... all that stuff that gets repeated ad-nauseum I would lump firmly into the denialism camp. Worst are the claims that scientists are deliberately lying and conspiring. It is irrational to keep repeating baloney that has been shown wrong over and over again and the people who keep repeating the garbage are uncannily similar to creationists in their modus operandi. There's skepticism and then there's just plain idiocy.