Palestinian Preconditions for Peace
Well, there's a lot of talk of what's neccessary for peace in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Namely, for the Palestinians to cease engaging in unpeaceful activities so they can negotiate a situation which would result in peace. But, apparently, the deck really has to be stacked high, as there's various other "preconditions" like recognizing Israel's Right To Exist or refusing to allow Hamas in the government.
Well, in hopes of shifting the overton window (or, at least, resulting in a little bit of proportionality for both sides), I've come up with some preconditions I'm sure the Palestinians would like when Israel's far-right, expansionist government agrees to come to the table:
- Recognition of Palestine's Right to Exist
- IDF obedience to International Law
- An end to the Gaza Blockade
- An end to military checkpoints that divide families.
- An end of house demolitions.
- If the borders of Palestine cannot be agreed upon, than the granting of citizenship rights to all Palestinians until a solution is drawn up.
I think such a list of committments from Israel could go a long way. And, if Obama really wants to pull his weight, all he has to do is threaten the withdrawal of generous financial and miliarty aid the US gives to Israel.
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I think Israel needs to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty
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Iran needs to stop routing military hardware to Hamas.
One can do that without blockading Gaza completely.
Houses need to stop being used as places to shoot from and Hamas needs to stop trying to hunt Jewish people.
If you can find terrorists in the said houses, you remove the terrorists. You don't wantonly illegally bulldoze houses.
Uh considering they would hide weapons in everything from medical supplies, to even canned beans, the best thing for Israel to do is simply have a total blockade and search every item that enters Gaza Strip.
Furthermore, the Palestinians need to recognize Israel's right to exist, which they won't do.
BS. If Israel just cared about weapons (by the way, why are you supporting GUN CONTROL here?), then they'd let the Flotillas pass once they found no weapons aboard.
It's quite apparent to anyone with three brain cells that, at the bargining table, Israel's right to exist would be recognized in exchange for a concessions by the Israelis and perhaps recognition of PALESTINE'S RIGHT TO EXIST. Israel is forcibly preventing a Palestinian state, which is a million times worse than merely rhetorically not recognizing a right to exist. If Israel is opposed to a two-state solution over logistical reasons, than they should incorporate all the displaced Palestinians into their state and give them full citizenship rights rather than ruling over a martial occupation. Your beliefs when it comes to the human rights of many people are simply despicable.
BS. If Israel just cared about weapons (by the way, why are you supporting GUN CONTROL here?), then they'd let the Flotillas pass once they found no weapons aboard.
Last I checked Gaza Strip wasn't a US territory, nor is Israel.
It's quite apparent to anyone with three brain cells that, at the bargining table, Israel's right to exist would be recognized in exchange for a concessions by the Israelis and perhaps recognition of PALESTINE'S RIGHT TO EXIST.
And you honestly expect me to believe that a people that want to kill every Jew down to the last baby, will suddenly stop hating like that. I'm sorry but you are incredibly naive to believe that...
You left out the reason why (probably because you know it completely destroys your argument) Israel is taking that stance, because next thing to happen is they'll end up being attacked all over again by people bent on the extermination of every Israeli.
If you studied your history you would know every Muslim that did not flee Israel when it became a country are Israeli citizens and even have a voice in the Israeli Government.
After your comments that the Israelis don't have a right to defend themselves, you have absolutely no business lecturing me about human rights.
Why do you support a bunch of fanatics that want to commit genocide? The people in control of the Palestinians right now are a bunch of fanatics bent on the murdering every Israeli, so the question is valid.
Is it cause you don't recognize good and evil?
Or is it cause you don't believe the Jewish people have a right to even exist?
The Israelis aren't out to kill the Palestinians (and in all honesty they could slaughter a good portion of the Palestinian Population in a matter of hours). Hamas has demonstrated they want to murder every Israeli.
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- Recognition of Palestine's Right to Exist
They already do that. They could have annihilated Palestine decades ago if they were motivated. - IDF obedience to International Law
As long as it doesn't undermine Israeli security. - An end to the Gaza Blockade
Maybe if there are arrangements to search everything that goes through. - An end to military checkpoints that divide families.
Maybe allow them to pass after being searched and checked for warrants. - An end of house demolitions.
As long as they aren't being used for terrorist activities. - If the borders of Palestine cannot be agreed upon, than the granting of citizenship rights to all Palestinians until a solution is drawn up.
Halt construction of new west bank settlements and us the giant fence as the border.
The Jewish groups are threatening to cut their campaign contributions as it is right now. Cutting aid to Israel would not go over well with Jewish interests and a lot of Christian groups as well.
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BS. If Israel just cared about weapons (by the way, why are you supporting GUN CONTROL here?), then they'd let the Flotillas pass once they found no weapons aboard.
It's Islamic terrorist control. Unlike the United States and other civilized developed countries, guns in Palestinian controlled areas tend to be used primarily for malicious purposes.
It's quite apparent to anyone with three brain cells that, at the bargining table, Israel's right to exist would be recognized in exchange for a concessions by the Israelis and perhaps recognition of PALESTINE'S RIGHT TO EXIST. Israel is forcibly preventing a Palestinian state, which is a million times worse than merely rhetorically not recognizing a right to exist. If Israel is opposed to a two-state solution over logistical reasons, than they should incorporate all the displaced Palestinians into their state and give them full citizenship rights rather than ruling over a martial occupation. Your beliefs when it comes to the human rights of many people are simply despicable.
The Palestinians have never been permanently satisfied with any deal made so far. What makes you think they will this time unless they renounce the destruction of Israel and give it formal recognition as well?
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Well, in hopes of shifting the overton window (or, at least, resulting in a little bit of proportionality for both sides), I've come up with some preconditions I'm sure the Palestinians would like when Israel's far-right, expansionist government agrees to come to the table:
- Recognition of Palestine's Right to Exist
- IDF obedience to International Law
- An end to the Gaza Blockade
- An end to military checkpoints that divide families.
- An end of house demolitions.
- If the borders of Palestine cannot be agreed upon, than the granting of citizenship rights to all Palestinians until a solution is drawn up.
I think such a list of committments from Israel could go a long way. And, if Obama really wants to pull his weight, all he has to do is threaten the withdrawal of generous financial and miliarty aid the US gives to Israel.
These seem like reasonable proposals but as you can see from some responses from extremists outside the region concerned and as you know by the history and ambitions of the Zionist movement this will not happen
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I think Israel should remain one country, and there should be no exclusively-Palestinian territories. Give back Golan heights to Syria on the condition of being nuked if tries any funny business in the future. Keep the west bank though...
Israel should also tear down those ugly walls, and if it wants to to build walls between it and other countries, then fine, but not through the heart of the land.
Palestinians should become citizens of this Jewish state and adhere to its societal standards or move to another arab country near by that's willing to take them. It would be better for both the Middle East and Islam and help to further secularize that part of the world (with further help from Lebanon and Turkey.).
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The walls are there to keep Palestinian suicide bombers out. When the Palestinians learn how to behave themselves like civilized people, the walls will come down.
Amen, from my standpoint the Palestinians need to grow up before Israel should even consider giving them anything.
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I agree. The time for "loans" to Israel is passed. By the way, the "loans" to Israel are really subsidies to European and U.S. corporations. Why? The Israelis use the money to buy stuff in the U.S. and Europe that the otherwise could not afford.
I think it is a good idea to put an end to this.
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