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02 Jun 2011, 4:00 pm

Such lawlessness should be met with swift justice. Sounds like these animals got just what they deserved.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-homeless-feedings-arrests-20110601,0,1453301.story


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02 Jun 2011, 4:24 pm

I don't understand your objection. What they were doing seemed good.



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02 Jun 2011, 4:38 pm

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I don't understand your objection. What they were doing seemed good.

It's called sarcasm,

Personally I agree with the ordinance. Deliberately attracting bums to the city and attracting a large concentration of them in one area is a needless headache. It doesn't sound like there is anything banning them from creating a mission somewhere where most of the homeless spend their days.


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03 Jun 2011, 5:54 am

Believe it or not, there's actually a large chunk of the general public probably that would be happy if stealing was punishable by death.



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03 Jun 2011, 6:24 am

Within the excerpted video clip, the "Food Not Bombs" guy clearly says they are a political group feeding people for the purpose of making a political statement ...

... and so what else could the local politicos do but jail them for their open defiance when they (the Fooders) could have just limited their servings to 24 in each of several locations and laughed at City Hall all day?!


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03 Jun 2011, 6:58 am

See!! What did I tell you all, first it's 'oh, I'm just feeding the pigeons', next thing it's progressed on to giving meals to the homeless!! What has the world come to??!

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It requires groups to obtain a permit and limits each group to two permits per year for each park within a 2-mile radius of City Hall


Reading the article though, it hasn't made it illegal to feed the homeless per se, just that they need to obtain a permit first. I can't imagine that there is that much competition for 2 permits-a-park (though the article didn't mention anything about a charge).



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03 Jun 2011, 7:04 am

I never let the law limit my morality.


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03 Jun 2011, 7:15 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
I never let the law limit my morality.


Don't be too literal in applying that doctrine. The Law has guns and your morality does not.

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03 Jun 2011, 7:38 am

Lene wrote:
See!! What did I tell you all, first it's 'oh, I'm just feeding the pigeons', next thing it's progressed on to giving meals to the homeless!! What has the world come to??!

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It requires groups to obtain a permit and limits each group to two permits per year for each park within a 2-mile radius of City Hall


Reading the article though, it hasn't made it illegal to feed the homeless per se, just that they need to obtain a permit first. I can't imagine that there is that much competition for 2 permits-a-park (though the article didn't mention anything about a charge).

Park-use permits are only required if/when feeding 25 or more people (and no permit at all is required for the actual feeding), and there is where I say the Fooders should bus people in by the droves and yet feed only 24 at once in any one section (at any single picnic table) within the park overall.


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03 Jun 2011, 7:44 am

ruveyn wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
I never let the law limit my morality.


Don't be too literal in applying that doctrine. The Law has guns and your morality does not.

ruveyn


A. how do YOU know his morality's firepower?

B. there is worse than death.



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03 Jun 2011, 7:47 am

ruveyn wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
I never let the law limit my morality.


Don't be too literal in applying that doctrine. The Law has guns and your morality does not.

ruveyn


sez you :lol:


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03 Jun 2011, 11:09 am

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It requires groups to obtain a permit and limits each group to two permits per year for each park within a 2-mile radius of City Hall


Reading the article though, it hasn't made it illegal to feed the homeless per se, just that they need to obtain a permit first. I can't imagine that there is that much competition for 2 permits-a-park (though the article didn't mention anything about a charge).

Park-use permits are only required if/when feeding 25 or more people (and no permit at all is required for the actual feeding), and there is where I say the Fooders should bus people in by the droves and yet feed only 24 at once in any one section (at any single picnic table) within the park overall.


Yeah, but why would you bother? If you move outside the restricted areas, the law doesn't apply. Or stay inside the zone and just feed people in smaller groups, out of the way and problem solved.

http://www.cityoforlando.net/fpr/html/P ... 202011.pdf

That seems to be the application for a general park use permit (not sure if there's a different one for charities). There is money involved; just glancing over it, the group is looking at about $150 for the cheapest area plus a $250 clean up deposit.

Rightly or wrongly, if other parties are looking to hire the same grounds and willing to pay for it, in a bad economy it doesn't make sense to give it free to a semi-political organisation.

If the group does have a lot of supporters, surely they will be able to club together to rent the grounds from the park? Can't be a hell of a lot more expensive than busing people in in droves :)



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03 Jun 2011, 4:07 pm

wow that is ridiculous.



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04 Jun 2011, 8:52 am

I believe the ordinance is so that the public parks (which are for everyone) do not become a place that only the homeless feel comfortable. There are serious repercussions for an area that becomes a great place for the homeless to gather. I feel for the homeless, have almost been that way myself, but the fact is many are drug and alcohol abusers, criminals, child molesters, muggers etc. Imagine how desperate you would be if you were homeless long term.
I think the group is behaving in a self serving manner for the attention, there are probably churches that would allow them to use their facilities for these feedings, but they prefer to take over a public park. I don't know how many of you have found yourself in an area overrun with homeless men. I did once, an area on the riverfront near where I was working, that was full of workers from the area during part of the day (lunch) and at 2:00 it was dozens of homeless men, looking through the trash for food. It was really scary, and I was glad I could get right back into the building.