California legislators study Texas job growth

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06 Apr 2011, 10:30 pm

I guess even California's raving moonbats can't deny any longer that their policies aren't working. :P

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/04/06/california-delegation-to-visit-texas-study-job-growth

SACRAMENTO (AP) — A Republican-led group of California lawmakers and Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom will head to Texas next week to hear from businesses that left the state.

GOP Assemblyman Dan Logue says the two-day trip is not intended to bash California, but rather examine how Texas has been able to lure companies in recent years. Logue says Texas has added 165,000 jobs during the last three years while California has lost 1.2 million jobs.

California faces a remaining $15.4 billion budget deficit after Gov. Jerry Brown signed $11.2 billion in spending cuts and fund transfers. The governor now wants a special election to renew recent tax increase.

Republicans hope the trip to Texas, which is addressing a $27 billion deficit over two years, produces “common-sense ideas” to get businesses growing in California.


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04 Jun 2011, 3:45 pm

Even when california based business expand, most of it now tends to be outside the state. It has a toxic environment for business.

I don't mind if California becomes sweden though. We have 50 states that can experiment with different ways of doing things so we can see what works and what doesn't. From health care to taxation to ways of approaching crime, etc. I wish Romneycare would have been given more time to see if it works in massachusetts before taking it nationally though. I see many people wanting to export the california approach to business to their state, which is fine, but give it another 5 years before you adopt it nationally.


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04 Jun 2011, 8:05 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
I wish Romneycare would have been given more time to see if it works in massachusetts before taking it nationally though.

They didn't take it national. Obamacare lacks the most critical features that make Romneycare work well here. The two are almost opposites.

For example, Romneycare breaks the link between the employer and health insurance, making it competitive to buy one's own health insurance and aligning the interests of the health insurance companies with the individual, rather than with the employer. Obamacare does the opposite, making individual health insurance even less competitive than before.

That's just one of the many ways in which Obamacare makes things worse where Romneycare made things better.



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04 Jun 2011, 8:48 pm

With a population of 37 million + you'd think that California would bend over backwards to bring in industry.
I wouldn't mind living there at all if it weren't for all the clueless people in LA and Frisco dragging the whole state down.



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04 Jun 2011, 9:32 pm

Ah, a smokestack chasing shindig. Smokestack chasing is the most primitive development strategy in the world. Texas by the way escaped the housing crisis if I'm not mistaken though they have a huge deficit and so much is wrong there in general with its education results and so forth.



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05 Jun 2011, 3:01 am

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With a population of 37 million + you'd think that California would bend over backwards to bring in industry.
I wouldn't mind living there at all if it weren't for all the clueless people in LA and Frisco dragging the whole state down.


They took it for granted, that's for sure. They over-regulate and excessively tax some industries while subsidizing others. The once thriving aerospace industry has virtually all left LA, agriculture is on the fence about water issues, many green firms who bought into the fable of a new green economy jumped the gun, the venture capitalists have had abysmal returns with global supply still outpacing demand by a ratio of 3:1, and either left the green-tech industry or vouched to relocate outside the state.


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05 Jun 2011, 3:09 am

psychohist wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
I wish Romneycare would have been given more time to see if it works in massachusetts before taking it nationally though.

They didn't take it national. Obamacare lacks the most critical features that make Romneycare work well here. The two are almost opposites.

For example, Romneycare breaks the link between the employer and health insurance, making it competitive to buy one's own health insurance and aligning the interests of the health insurance companies with the individual, rather than with the employer. Obamacare does the opposite, making individual health insurance even less competitive than before.

That's just one of the many ways in which Obamacare makes things worse where Romneycare made things better.


I agree on severing the ties between employer and health insurance, as I think it distorts and disconnects the employee from the true costs of providing health coverage.

The liberal question is how does this increase coverage

the conservative question is how does this decrease cost

I know Obamacare's main focus was coverage and I think Romneycare's(from what I've heard) has also been very good in this regard. But how does it do on the question of cost? Either way, from the GOP field, Mitt Romney will be the best and most well-versed on health care policy in the coming 2012 elections.


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05 Jun 2011, 3:37 am

xenon13 wrote:
Ah, a smokestack chasing shindig. Smokestack chasing is the most primitive development strategy in the world. Texas by the way escaped the housing crisis if I'm not mistaken though they have a huge deficit and so much is wrong there in general with its education results and so forth.



It's deficit or education is worse then california?

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 38920.html

LA's building the most expensive school in history($578,000,000 - 200,000,000 more then the cost to build the nearby Staples Center Arena where Lakers NBA games are held) despite having a 50% dropout rate. Those dropout rates are similar for most suburbs of San Francisco as well, and state average is above 25%. A forth of all kids statewide drop out???? And what type of kids does its' politically and progressively attuned schools turn out?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6VlvN3ruE[/youtube]


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05 Jun 2011, 4:31 am

Yeah um the Houston sprawl is a model we should aspire to emulate, right? :roll:



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05 Jun 2011, 12:24 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
Ah, a smokestack chasing shindig. Smokestack chasing is the most primitive development strategy in the world. Texas by the way escaped the housing crisis if I'm not mistaken though they have a huge deficit and so much is wrong there in general with its education results and so forth.



It's deficit or education is worse then california?

Image
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 38920.html

LA's building the most expensive school in history($578,000,000 - 200,000,000 more then the cost to build the nearby Staples Center Arena where Lakers NBA games are held) despite having a 50% dropout rate. Those dropout rates are similar for most suburbs of San Francisco as well, and state average is above 25%. A forth of all kids statewide drop out???? And what type of kids does its' politically and progressively attuned schools turn out?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6VlvN3ruE[/youtube]


Well, I learned some things I didn’t know by watching that video.
I learned that Bush could have prevented hurricane Katrina, Bush has killed MILLIONS in Iraq, and Bush is the worst thing that has ever happened in the entire world.
I feel so enlightened.
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07 Jun 2011, 11:42 am

MarketAndChurch wrote:
We have 50 states that can experiment with different ways of doing things so we can see what works and what doesn't. From health care to taxation to ways of approaching crime, etc.


The problem with this approach is that if one state decides to do something to benefit its people, then businesses can move very easily to another state. Hence, low-wage, pollution-friendly, anti-union states like Texas will end up attracting businesses. Then, other states will have to compete with Texas by offering even lower standards to businesses.

It is much more effective to establish policies that benefit people at the national level.



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08 Jun 2011, 9:42 am

donnie_darko wrote:
Yeah um the Houston sprawl is a model we should aspire to emulate, right? :roll:


Houston's sprawl is the result of it's thriving economy.



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08 Jun 2011, 11:40 am

pandabear wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
We have 50 states that can experiment with different ways of doing things so we can see what works and what doesn't. From health care to taxation to ways of approaching crime, etc.


The problem with this approach is that if one state decides to do something to benefit its people, then businesses can move very easily to another state. Hence, low-wage, pollution-friendly, anti-union states like Texas will end up attracting businesses. Then, other states will have to compete with Texas by offering even lower standards to businesses.

It is much more effective to establish policies that benefit people at the national level.


The Obama regime is doing just that. Are you better off?

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08 Jun 2011, 11:55 am

California has become a very unfriendly place to do business. We have high tax rates all around, one of the worst education systems in the country (the decline started in the 70s), & businesses & people are leaving in droves due to the high cost of doing business & just trying to survive. Gasoline & diesel also cost quite a bit more here than in other states also because of all the tacked on taxes. We have a lot of people who are currently under or unemployed. What to do in such a hostile environment? Carl's Jr/Hardees is thinking about moving their corporate offices to Texas. It literally takes 2 or so years for Carl's to open one restaurant in California. In Texas it takes just a few months. If I were planning to open a business, I certainly wouldn't want to waste time & money trying to do things the "California" way. I'd be checking out Texas too. Until our so-called "public service" personnel get the hint, things will not change here. Jerry Brown sure doesn't see a problem. Why? He helped create it back in the 70s, during his prior time as our governor.


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08 Jun 2011, 12:07 pm

Take a good look at California. It is the future of America unless there are some very extensive turnarounds in public policy.

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08 Jun 2011, 12:21 pm

California has been grappling with being a big state for far longer. It's 50% larger still today. Of course it has more legacy issues with costs and red tape.

Texas is a relatively clean slate. The bills will come due one way or another. They always do. US history is full of local boom / bust cycles.