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What do you think of state legislatures drawing electoral districts?
The current system works! 17%  17%  [ 1 ]
The current system fails! 83%  83%  [ 5 ]
What are you talking about? 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
We have a different system here. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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12 Jun 2011, 8:46 am

In the US, states have the constitutional authority to draw congressional districts, and most do so in their legislatures. The party in control tends to draw districts that ensure reelection for their members, and eliminate districts that would do so for the other party. The courts have limited the worst abuses of this power, but a comprehensive reform of this system would require a constitutional amendment, which would have to originate either with the people who benefit most from this system or from the people who currently wield the power. I don't foresee them deciding to change it without a massive public outcry, but the issue strikes me as too technical and complicated to grab the attention of enough people.

Does anyone see a way out of this mess, or see it as something other than a mess? I'd also like to hear from people in other countries, if your nation has a better way.


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12 Jun 2011, 10:46 am

Gerrymandering is a problem, for sure.. Look at Texas, for example. But you are right, it is way too esoteric to generate enough of a public outcry to get anything done. Kind of like campaign finance reform, in a way. It's just not sexy.


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12 Jun 2011, 12:04 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
In the US, states have the constitutional authority to draw congressional districts, and most do so in their legislatures. The party in control tends to draw districts that ensure reelection for their members, and eliminate districts that would do so for the other party. The courts have limited the worst abuses of this power, but a comprehensive reform of this system would require a constitutional amendment, which would have to originate either with the people who benefit most from this system or from the people who currently wield the power. I don't foresee them deciding to change it without a massive public outcry, but the issue strikes me as too technical and complicated to grab the attention of enough people.

Does anyone see a way out of this mess, or see it as something other than a mess? I'd also like to hear from people in other countries, if your nation has a better way.


They do not have this trouble in Mainland China or in Somolia.

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12 Jun 2011, 1:05 pm

See, that is part of what I, for my part, do not get about OTHER people. I forget how old I was when I first learned about it. I immediately saw what was involved, and recognized that it was stupid and wrong and undesirable.

So how can anyone NOT see that? WHY does it have to be "sexy"? Does that simply mean that if it is convenient for politicians it can never be changed?



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12 Jun 2011, 5:12 pm

Funny how Democrats are perfectly fine with the rules when it benefits them but when they lose they want to change the rules because it no longer benefits them.



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12 Jun 2011, 7:03 pm

California just passed a couple referendums where districts for state offices are determined by an independent panel of liberals and conservatives, and a few third party members. How this will work has not been tested.


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12 Jun 2011, 8:01 pm

John_Browning wrote:
California just passed a couple referendums where districts for state offices are determined by an independent panel of liberals and conservatives, and a few third party members. How this will work has not been tested.


Also wouldn't surprise me if the "Conservatives" are in name only.



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12 Jun 2011, 8:16 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
California just passed a couple referendums where districts for state offices are determined by an independent panel of liberals and conservatives, and a few third party members. How this will work has not been tested.


Also wouldn't surprise me if the "Conservatives" are in name only.


Just like our dear Inuyakuza



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12 Jun 2011, 8:18 pm

pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
California just passed a couple referendums where districts for state offices are determined by an independent panel of liberals and conservatives, and a few third party members. How this will work has not been tested.


Also wouldn't surprise me if the "Conservatives" are in name only.


Just like our dear Inuyakuza


Pointing out that Democrats usually control California's legislature, so the people appointing this panel would be largely made up of Democrats.



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12 Jun 2011, 9:15 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
California just passed a couple referendums where districts for state offices are determined by an independent panel of liberals and conservatives, and a few third party members. How this will work has not been tested.


Also wouldn't surprise me if the "Conservatives" are in name only.


Just like our dear Inuyakuza


Pointing out that Democrats usually control California's legislature, so the people appointing this panel would be largely made up of Democrats.

So? If their goal was gerrymandering, they could have done that far more easily by quietly upholding the status quo, since the Democrat-controlled California legislature already had control over the redistricting process.


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