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17 Jun 2011, 4:48 pm

Such as interplanetary colonization, manned space travel, calculation of orbits, or anything space related?



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17 Jun 2011, 5:17 pm

do i have to be christian to apply? :(

i love space and the potential it holds for humanity in the future, i view it as the solution to many problems and as the ultimte expresion of freedom.


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17 Jun 2011, 5:22 pm

Oodain wrote:
do i have to be christian to apply? :(

i love space and the potential it holds for humanity in the future, i view it as the solution to many problems and as the ultimte expresion of freedom.


I'm just wondering if any other Christians here are as interested in space as I am, nothing other to apply to. It's alright if others respond though.



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17 Jun 2011, 5:47 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Oodain wrote:
do i have to be christian to apply? :(

i love space and the potential it holds for humanity in the future, i view it as the solution to many problems and as the ultimte expresion of freedom.


I'm just wondering if any other Christians here are as interested in space as I am, nothing other to apply to. It's alright if others respond though.


A bible believing Christian knows that the stars are just lights attached to the firmament, beyond which is heaven and Jesus.

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17 Jun 2011, 5:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Oodain wrote:
do i have to be christian to apply? :(

i love space and the potential it holds for humanity in the future, i view it as the solution to many problems and as the ultimte expresion of freedom.


I'm just wondering if any other Christians here are as interested in space as I am, nothing other to apply to. It's alright if others respond though.


A bible believing Christian knows that the stars are just lights attached to the firmament, beyond which is heaven and Jesus.

ruveyn


No, and actually the word "firmament" is an improper carry over from the Vulgate, a more proper word is expanse. Most of the stars are far smaller than our sun and there are quite a few larger than our sun, but they are certainly not merely "points of light" as per Aristotle who was not a Christian.



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17 Jun 2011, 6:46 pm

I'm a Christian and I'm interested in space.

I'm surprised at how many people think there's a conflict between being Christian/believing in a Creator and being interested in science and what man can learn through observation. For me everything I learn through science just reinforces my belief in God. It's all in your perspective.



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17 Jun 2011, 6:51 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
A bible believing Christian knows that the stars are just lights attached to the firmament, beyond which is heaven and Jesus.

ruveyn


No, and actually the word "firmament" is an improper carry over from the Vulgate, a more proper word is expanse. Most of the stars are far smaller than our sun and there are quite a few larger than our sun, but they are certainly not merely "points of light" as per Aristotle who was not a Christian.

Ruveyn's post illustrates, what would be, basically, the reason few christians may not be interested in space travel, and interplanetary colonization. I mean, if paradise is beyond the stars, why bothering with "man stuff" such as that, especially if the science contradicts their beliefs?



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17 Jun 2011, 6:53 pm

blunnet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
A bible believing Christian knows that the stars are just lights attached to the firmament, beyond which is heaven and Jesus.

ruveyn


No, and actually the word "firmament" is an improper carry over from the Vulgate, a more proper word is expanse. Most of the stars are far smaller than our sun and there are quite a few larger than our sun, but they are certainly not merely "points of light" as per Aristotle who was not a Christian.

Ruveyn's post illustrates, what would be basically, the reason why few christians would not interested in space travel, and interplanetary colonization. I mean, if paradise is beyond the stars, why bothering with "man stuff" such as that, especially if the science contradicts their beliefs?


I happen to be Christian and I'm interested in space travel, your statement is a bunch is quite frankly a bunch of garbage cause a lot of Christians, Conservatives, etc. have quite coming to this section of Wrong Planet and thus wouldn't have seen this topic.



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17 Jun 2011, 6:59 pm

blunnet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
A bible believing Christian knows that the stars are just lights attached to the firmament, beyond which is heaven and Jesus.

ruveyn


No, and actually the word "firmament" is an improper carry over from the Vulgate, a more proper word is expanse. Most of the stars are far smaller than our sun and there are quite a few larger than our sun, but they are certainly not merely "points of light" as per Aristotle who was not a Christian.

Ruveyn's post illustrates, what would be, basically, the reason few christians may not be interested in space travel, and interplanetary colonization. I mean, if paradise is beyond the stars, why bothering with "man stuff" such as that, especially if the science contradicts their beliefs?


Along that same line of reasoning though, why be concerned with doing anything else mundane? Aside from the matter that we must in order to function, it would not be too theologically far fetched to consider that God didn't intend everything here to be merely a chore to bide the time with before our bodies die. In Genesis, God commanded that we "be fruitful, multiply, and fill the Earth", but once the Earth is full I would see no better way in keeping the with the intention of that command, particularly spreading out (filling the Earth) whereby we don't live so close together, than to spread out as far as we can. We now can enter into space, so I think that we now should spread out into space.



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17 Jun 2011, 7:00 pm

fourbas wrote:
I'm a Christian and I'm interested in space.

I'm surprised at how many people think there's a conflict between being Christian/believing in a Creator and being interested in science and what man can learn through observation. For me everything I learn through science just reinforces my belief in God. It's all in your perspective.


Welcome to wrong planet.



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17 Jun 2011, 8:04 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Oodain wrote:
do i have to be christian to apply? :(

i love space and the potential it holds for humanity in the future, i view it as the solution to many problems and as the ultimte expresion of freedom.


I'm just wondering if any other Christians here are as interested in space as I am, nothing other to apply to. It's alright if others respond though.


A bible believing Christian knows that the stars are just lights attached to the firmament, beyond which is heaven and Jesus.

ruveyn


No, and actually the word "firmament" is an improper carry over from the Vulgate, a more proper word is expanse. Most of the stars are far smaller than our sun and there are quite a few larger than our sun, but they are certainly not merely "points of light" as per Aristotle who was not a Christian.


The Hebrew word is rakiyah. Think of rakiyah as a heavenly vault. Above the rakiyah where the Waters (not to be confused with rivers and seas). During the Flood the Waters above the vault burst through and the fountains of the Deep burst upward, flooding the earth. The stars (cochaviym) are referred to as the lesser lights to distinguish them from the moon and sun which are the greater lights.

The is no notion in the TNKH that the stars are other suns. They are merely the lesser lights in the sky.

Here is a reference to ancient Hebrew cosmology:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4077736695/

The Hebrews did not think of the world as we do, not in any way.

The were Bronze Age dudes.

ruveyn



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17 Jun 2011, 8:39 pm

If you travel out far enough, you may come to Heaven. Better bring along a harp, and take some lessons before you go, so that you'll be able to fit in.

But, what if you go out in the wrong direction?



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17 Jun 2011, 11:23 pm

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If you travel out far enough, you may come to Heaven. Better bring along a harp, and take some lessons before you go, so that you'll be able to fit in.

But, what if you go out in the wrong direction?


Heaven isn't a location in this material universe, but the heavens are.



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17 Jun 2011, 11:31 pm

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Oodain wrote:
do i have to be christian to apply? :(

i love space and the potential it holds for humanity in the future, i view it as the solution to many problems and as the ultimte expresion of freedom.


I'm just wondering if any other Christians here are as interested in space as I am, nothing other to apply to. It's alright if others respond though.


A bible believing Christian knows that the stars are just lights attached to the firmament, beyond which is heaven and Jesus.

ruveyn


No, and actually the word "firmament" is an improper carry over from the Vulgate, a more proper word is expanse. Most of the stars are far smaller than our sun and there are quite a few larger than our sun, but they are certainly not merely "points of light" as per Aristotle who was not a Christian.


The Hebrew word is rakiyah. Think of rakiyah as a heavenly vault. Above the rakiyah where the Waters (not to be confused with rivers and seas). During the Flood the Waters above the vault burst through and the fountains of the Deep burst upward, flooding the earth. The stars (cochaviym) are referred to as the lesser lights to distinguish them from the moon and sun which are the greater lights.

The is no notion in the TNKH that the stars are other suns. They are merely the lesser lights in the sky.

Here is a reference to ancient Hebrew cosmology:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4077736695/

The Hebrews did not think of the world as we do, not in any way.

The were Bronze Age dudes.

ruveyn


Doesn't the word rakiyah derive from another word which means to stamp out, spread out, expand? Also, I know the word for water(s) in Hebrew is mayim, and the word for heavens is shamayim, so are those related such as the latter being a compound word?

Viewing the sun, moon, and stars as sources of light does not go into their nature of operation, but neither does it relegate them to being nothing more than black box light sources.

Yes, the science of the time was not so great and I doubt that they had modern cosmology, however I doubt they had the germ theory of disease either even though much of the sanitation laws would seem to reflect such a concept that wasn't even developed until the 1800's.



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18 Jun 2011, 2:40 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Oodain wrote:
do i have to be christian to apply? :(

i love space and the potential it holds for humanity in the future, i view it as the solution to many problems and as the ultimte expresion of freedom.


I'm just wondering if any other Christians here are as interested in space as I am, nothing other to apply to. It's alright if others respond though.


A bible believing Christian knows that the stars are just lights attached to the firmament, beyond which is heaven and Jesus.

ruveyn


No, and actually the word "firmament" is an improper carry over from the Vulgate, a more proper word is expanse. Most of the stars are far smaller than our sun and there are quite a few larger than our sun, but they are certainly not merely "points of light" as per Aristotle who was not a Christian.


The Hebrew word is rakiyah. Think of rakiyah as a heavenly vault. Above the rakiyah where the Waters (not to be confused with rivers and seas). During the Flood the Waters above the vault burst through and the fountains of the Deep burst upward, flooding the earth. The stars (cochaviym) are referred to as the lesser lights to distinguish them from the moon and sun which are the greater lights.

The is no notion in the TNKH that the stars are other suns. They are merely the lesser lights in the sky.

Here is a reference to ancient Hebrew cosmology:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4077736695/

The Hebrews did not think of the world as we do, not in any way.

The were Bronze Age dudes.

ruveyn


Doesn't the word rakiyah derive from another word which means to stamp out, spread out, expand? Also, I know the word for water(s) in Hebrew is mayim, and the word for heavens is shamayim, so are those related such as the latter being a compound word?

Viewing the sun, moon, and stars as sources of light does not go into their nature of operation, but neither does it relegate them to being nothing more than black box light sources.

Yes, the science of the time was not so great and I doubt that they had modern cosmology, however I doubt they had the germ theory of disease either even though much of the sanitation laws would seem to reflect such a concept that wasn't even developed until the 1800's.


Since the Bible declares that God created light before he created the Sun Christians may be puzzled by what they discover in space.



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18 Jun 2011, 4:13 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yes, the science of the time was not so great and I doubt that they had modern cosmology, however I doubt they had the germ theory of disease either even though much of the sanitation laws would seem to reflect such a concept that wasn't even developed until the 1800's.

Hence, demon posesion beliefs and creation myths, to name a couple of things.