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20 Oct 2011, 9:01 am

http://news.yahoo.com/1st-mexican-truck ... 47565.html


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20 Oct 2011, 9:05 am

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http://news.yahoo.com/1st-mexican-truck-enter-us-interior-within-days-184747565.html


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All the better to deliver the illegal drugs for the Cartel.

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20 Oct 2011, 11:01 am

Why did we even both signing the Free Trade Agreement with you back in 1988? Why did we allow you to pressure us into signing on to NAFTA? And why do you find it so hard to live up to your agreements?

You negotiated NAFTA, you agreed to it, you ratified it, you signed it and you enacted it into law. Chapter 16 is perfectly clear--look up the definition of "Business Visitor."

NAFTA wrote:
Annex 1603 Temporary Entry for Business Persons
Section A - Business Visitors

1. Each Party shall grant temporary entry to a business person seeking to engage in a business activity set out in Appendix 1603.A.1, without requiring that person to obtain an employment authorization, provided that the business person otherwise complies with existing immigration measures applicable to temporary entry, on presentation of:
(a) proof of citizenship of a Party;
(b) documentation demonstrating that the business person will be so engaged and describing the purpose of entry; and
(c) evidence demonstrating that the proposed business activity is international in scope and that the business person is not seeking to enter the local labor market.

Appendix 1603.A.1 - Business Visitors
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Distribution
Transportation operators transporting goods or passengers to the territory of a Party from the territory of another Party or loading and transporting goods or passengers from the territory of a Party, with no unloading in that territory, to the territory of another Party.


Your truckers have been benefitting from Chapter 16 for two decades. Our tuckers have been benefitting from Chapter 16 for two decades. Yet when it comes to Mexico, you choose to behave as if you never enacted NAFTA into law.

You are a trading nation. Your national livelihood depends upon trade. It's high time you started living up to your obligations.


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20 Oct 2011, 12:20 pm

anyhoo soon reverse immigration sets in, dias de montequilja. :lol:


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20 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm

The problem with the trucking business is the outrageous prices that truckers have to pay for fuel yet the right wing thinks the solution is that truckers should be further impoverished.



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20 Oct 2011, 1:14 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The problem with the trucking business is the outrageous prices that truckers have to pay for fuel yet the right wing thinks the solution is that truckers should be further impoverished.


Surely the right wing believes that truckers should have the freedom to contract, and charge a fair fee for their services.


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20 Oct 2011, 1:19 pm

The right wing believes that truckers must compete with cheaper Mexican labor.



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20 Oct 2011, 1:26 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The problem with the trucking business is the outrageous prices that truckers have to pay for fuel yet the right wing thinks the solution is that truckers should be further impoverished.


The outrageous prices that truckers pay for fuel enable us to build and maintain the roads they need to do their trucking.

Also those mexican truckers are just taking jobs that american truckers don't want.



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20 Oct 2011, 1:26 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The right wing believes that truckers must compete with cheaper Mexican labor.


That happens to be true. American truckers will not lower their wages voluntarily.

Most truckers are members of the criminal Teamsters Union.

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20 Oct 2011, 1:27 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Why did we even both signing the Free Trade Agreement with you back in 1988? Why did we allow you to pressure us into signing on to NAFTA? And why do you find it so hard to live up to your agreements?

You negotiated NAFTA, you agreed to it, you ratified it, you signed it and you enacted it into law. Chapter 16 is perfectly clear--look up the definition of "Business Visitor."

NAFTA wrote:
Annex 1603 Temporary Entry for Business Persons
Section A - Business Visitors

1. Each Party shall grant temporary entry to a business person seeking to engage in a business activity set out in Appendix 1603.A.1, without requiring that person to obtain an employment authorization, provided that the business person otherwise complies with existing immigration measures applicable to temporary entry, on presentation of:
(a) proof of citizenship of a Party;
(b) documentation demonstrating that the business person will be so engaged and describing the purpose of entry; and
(c) evidence demonstrating that the proposed business activity is international in scope and that the business person is not seeking to enter the local labor market.

Appendix 1603.A.1 - Business Visitors
...
Distribution
Transportation operators transporting goods or passengers to the territory of a Party from the territory of another Party or loading and transporting goods or passengers from the territory of a Party, with no unloading in that territory, to the territory of another Party.


Your truckers have been benefitting from Chapter 16 for two decades. Our tuckers have been benefitting from Chapter 16 for two decades. Yet when it comes to Mexico, you choose to behave as if you never enacted NAFTA into law.

You are a trading nation. Your national livelihood depends upon trade. It's high time you started living up to your obligations.


You are forgetting that those truckers are brown and that they talk funny.



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20 Oct 2011, 1:59 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Your truckers have been benefitting from Chapter 16 for two decades. Our tuckers have been benefitting from Chapter 16 for two decades. Yet when it comes to Mexico, you choose to behave as if you never enacted NAFTA into law.

You are a trading nation. Your national livelihood depends upon trade. It's high time you started living up to your obligations.


Perhaps it is because Mexican truckers don't meet the same standards as US truckers in both skill, certification and insurance.

If a Mexican trucker causes an accident or is just involved in an accident, who will their victim go after for restitution? We had a case where the person(s) driving a rental truck were from outside the USA. Trying to get anything done in that case was next to impossible because they could not be located and did not return to the US.

If a US trucker causes an accident in Mexico, you can bet the legal process for the Mexican government is more effective for them than it is for us.



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20 Oct 2011, 2:14 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
Your truckers have been benefitting from Chapter 16 for two decades. Our tuckers have been benefitting from Chapter 16 for two decades. Yet when it comes to Mexico, you choose to behave as if you never enacted NAFTA into law.

You are a trading nation. Your national livelihood depends upon trade. It's high time you started living up to your obligations.


Perhaps it is because Mexican truckers don't meet the same standards as US truckers in both skill, certification and insurance.

If a Mexican trucker causes an accident or is just involved in an accident, who will their victim go after for restitution? We had a case where the person(s) driving a rental truck were from outside the USA. Trying to get anything done in that case was next to impossible because they could not be located and did not return to the US.

If a US trucker causes an accident in Mexico, you can bet the legal process for the Mexican government is more effective for them than it is for us.


That is a good reason either for your state to go with No Fault Auto Insurance (like Michigan), or for you to get some Uninsured Motorist protection.



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20 Oct 2011, 2:58 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Perhaps it is because Mexican truckers don't meet the same standards as US truckers in both skill, certification and insurance.


I see no evidence to support such an assertion.

But even if these assertions are true, then why did you agree to this element of the definition, in the first place? As the negotiating party who was holding all of the chips, one can be reasonably certain that there is no provision of NAFTA that was forced upon the United States.

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If a Mexican trucker causes an accident or is just involved in an accident, who will their victim go after for restitution? We had a case where the person(s) driving a rental truck were from outside the USA. Trying to get anything done in that case was next to impossible because they could not be located and did not return to the US.

If a US trucker causes an accident in Mexico, you can bet the legal process for the Mexican government is more effective for them than it is for us.


Well, given that Mexico has the eminently sensible requirement that all foriegn drivers carry Mexican insurance, I should imagine that it is. But that seems to me to be an issue of Mexico taking care of its own interests where you continue to fail.

The issue of conflicts of laws arises more frequently in motor vehicle accidents than in any other area of law--and legal systems are perfectly capable of encompassing them.


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20 Oct 2011, 4:03 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

You are forgetting that those truckers are brown and that they talk funny.


And they will be hauling in illegal drugs from South of the Border.

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20 Oct 2011, 4:15 pm

ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
The right wing believes that truckers must compete with cheaper Mexican labor.


That happens to be true. American truckers will not lower their wages voluntarily.

Most truckers are members of the criminal Teamsters Union.

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Want to prove this?



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20 Oct 2011, 4:16 pm

Another blue collar American job evaporating before our eyes