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05 Nov 2005, 11:11 pm

Did God create Evolution?

Or did it happen Naturally?

All Ideals welcomed.


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06 Nov 2005, 12:10 am

i dont think this topic was really necessary. why didn't you just add to the last topic instead?



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06 Nov 2005, 1:35 am

I truly wanted to expand the debate of Ideals. So We would not confuse the two the Universe and Evolution. I think separating the two is for the best. They to Me are two separate issues, should be two separate debates of the Ideals. Then We will not get so confused by it. That is why I did it.


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06 Nov 2005, 2:23 am

I always believe in evolution, it's makes more sense than creation to me.

But! I've often looked at the two opposing partys Pro-Evolution and Pro-Creation... and thought to myself, why not both?

Evolution as a process exists as far as I'm concerned, but it would need a catalyst to start it off..It's within the realm of possibility that that catalyst could've been God...Or something.

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06 Nov 2005, 2:25 am

I haven't read previous topic, so I will act as if it is a first post on a subject (although I would LOVE someone to direct me to previous post) .....

I wondered sometimes too about it -- it is a very good way of having creation and evolution work together by claiming that God created evolution.

By the way, I also have an answer how can God create Adam and Eve and AT THE SAME TIME have humans evolve from Apes. Namely, the answer is pre-adamic ppl. God is UNIVERSAL creator of course. He just created bacteria that evolved through all the intermediate stages throuhg apes to people, like science tell you. And then he didn't like the ppl that he got by evolution so he then cerated by hand Adam and Eve.

I have heard that there were archeological findings that found some completely NEW gene comming up 6000 years ago, right when the creation of Adam and Eve was supposed to happen.

That would also explain old earth/ young earth. The answer is earth is old, its just Adam and Eve are young.

Ironically, I first heard this theory when I was reading on Christian Identity teaching. They claim blacks are pre-Adamic ppl. Interestingly, science shows us that the older civilizations were black. But then again I am not racist or anything, I am simply borrowing good ideas from wherever I can find them and give credit where it is due.

Whatever race they were, I think the existance of pre-Adamic ppl is basically PROVEN in the fact that when Cain was expelled he was worried whether or not strangers would kill him.

And by the way, it is also interesting that God told Cain he casts him out from "the earth" while obviuosly Cain did remain on earth. So this just shows that when Bible makes universal claims it isn't really meant to be taken as *universal*. In fact, flood wasn't over the whole earth eitehr, since we have some mysterious group called Kenites (descendants of Cain) popping up long after the flood. So if Cain wasn't cast from the ENTIRE earth and neither flood covered ALL the earth, may be Adam and Eve were only first humans in a neighborhood:)

Actually I thikn that if you read Genesis 1 really closely then on some day BEFORE creating Adam and Eve he also described creating of men. It is interesting in Gen 1:26-30 God created man and given him dominion over everythign. Then in Gen2:5 it says there were NO men. And in Gen 2:7 he created Adam

I think there are two ways of thinking about it

1)May be he is talking about PART of the earth, like I was talking earlier

2)May be he destroyed the previous civilization in a flood for its sins

3)May be combination of both

Actually I also heard some ppl speculate that may be there were civilizations between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 that were also destroyed for their sins. But that one I am really not sure because to me it seems bible is quite clear that nothing existed at that period of time. Actually I feel like "let there be light" is what happened during the big bang because physics tells us that light existed first, and only long after did the elementary particles coem into being when the universe was cool enough to sustain them. So yah I don't think any civilizations existed in Gen 1:1 to Gen 1:2 interval. But what I DO think is that a lot of stuff might have happened in the rest of Gen 1, and that Gen 1 might have lasted for millenia.



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06 Nov 2005, 3:12 am

This is the first time on this forum that I haven't formed an opinion on a subject
(Thank goodness we haven't gone over abortion)
The question is, "does God exist."
My answer is "I dont know"
I don't know what is out there if anything is.
Science hasn't proved God wrong yet, or proved God right yet.
I also don't believe anything without facts or at least some deductive reasoning.

The question "Did God create evolution?" should be rephrased:
"Does God exist," that is what you are asking right?

This is not a debate, this is going to become a "preaching war."

Separating people by religion is not necessarily good.



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06 Nov 2005, 5:06 am

Mithrandir wrote:
This is the first time on this forum that I haven't formed an opinion on a subject
(Thank goodness we haven't gone over abortion)
The question is, "does God exist."
My answer is "I dont know"
I don't know what is out there if anything is.
Science hasn't proved God wrong yet, or proved God right yet.
I also don't believe anything without facts or at least some deductive reasoning.

The question "Did God create evolution?" should be rephrased:
"Does God exist," that is what you are asking right?

This is not a debate, this is going to become a "preaching war."

Separating people by religion is not necessarily good.


Did God exist = "creation OR evolution"

Did God create evolotion = "is there a way to make a third option to above dilemma when both phenomena piecefully coexist on different levels"



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06 Nov 2005, 10:01 am

Evolution was invented by right-wing economists to justify killing off the poor.



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06 Nov 2005, 1:18 pm

Roman wrote:
I haven't read previous topic, so I will act as if it is a first post on a subject (although I would LOVE someone to direct me to previous post) .....
It is: How did the Universe come to be?

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7237&postays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


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06 Nov 2005, 2:53 pm

i have a very hard time believing in god, especially in a religious way. i cant just say i believe in god to please all the people trying to shove their religion down my throat.



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06 Nov 2005, 4:18 pm

Evolution happened naturally.



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06 Nov 2005, 4:42 pm

Bec wrote:
Evolution happened naturally.
So how did it happen Naturally.

I would like to know anybodies views how it happen naturally.


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06 Nov 2005, 5:12 pm

Okay, here's how I see it:

Things that happen need a cause. Everything that happens has a cause. That cause is God (or some other Divine Authority). If God wanted to, he could have used evolution to bring the world to where it is now. Or he could have just made it directly himself.


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06 Nov 2005, 5:24 pm

kevv729 wrote:
Bec wrote:
Evolution happened naturally.
So how did it happen Naturally.

I would like to know anybodies views how it happen naturally.


Do you really want to know how evolution happened or are you just playing devil's advocate?

If you really want to know, then I suggest you do some research on human evolution. I am not a paleoanthropologist nor am I an evolutionary biologist, so I admit that I can't really explain it in great depth. Read about it yourself, then you'll know.

Also, as I have said before in other threads, a scientific theory is not opinion or view. It is about as close to the truth as we can possibly get.



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06 Nov 2005, 5:26 pm

RobertN wrote:
Evolution was invented by right-wing economists to justify killing off the poor.


I do hope were parodying yoursefl in that post.


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06 Nov 2005, 5:27 pm

Roman wrote:
I haven't read previous topic, so I will act as if it is a first post on a subject (although I would LOVE someone to direct me to previous post) .....

I wondered sometimes too about it -- it is a very good way of having creation and evolution work together by claiming that God created evolution.

By the way, I also have an answer how can God create Adam and Eve and AT THE SAME TIME have humans evolve from Apes. Namely, the answer is pre-adamic ppl. God is UNIVERSAL creator of course. He just created bacteria that evolved through all the intermediate stages throuhg apes to people, like science tell you. And then he didn't like the ppl that he got by evolution so he then cerated by hand Adam and Eve.

I have heard that there were archeological findings that found some completely NEW gene comming up 6000 years ago, right when the creation of Adam and Eve was supposed to happen.

That would also explain old earth/ young earth. The answer is earth is old, its just Adam and Eve are young.

Ironically, I first heard this theory when I was reading on Christian Identity teaching. They claim blacks are pre-Adamic ppl. Interestingly, science shows us that the older civilizations were black. But then again I am not racist or anything, I am simply borrowing good ideas from wherever I can find them and give credit where it is due.

Whatever race they were, I think the existance of pre-Adamic ppl is basically PROVEN in the fact that when Cain was expelled he was worried whether or not strangers would kill him.

And by the way, it is also interesting that God told Cain he casts him out from "the earth" while obviuosly Cain did remain on earth. So this just shows that when Bible makes universal claims it isn't really meant to be taken as *universal*. In fact, flood wasn't over the whole earth eitehr, since we have some mysterious group called Kenites (descendants of Cain) popping up long after the flood. So if Cain wasn't cast from the ENTIRE earth and neither flood covered ALL the earth, may be Adam and Eve were only first humans in a neighborhood:)

Actually I thikn that if you read Genesis 1 really closely then on some day BEFORE creating Adam and Eve he also described creating of men. It is interesting in Gen 1:26-30 God created man and given him dominion over everythign. Then in Gen2:5 it says there were NO men. And in Gen 2:7 he created Adam

I think there are two ways of thinking about it

1)May be he is talking about PART of the earth, like I was talking earlier

2)May be he destroyed the previous civilization in a flood for its sins

3)May be combination of both

Actually I also heard some ppl speculate that may be there were civilizations between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 that were also destroyed for their sins. But that one I am really not sure because to me it seems bible is quite clear that nothing existed at that period of time. Actually I feel like "let there be light" is what happened during the big bang because physics tells us that light existed first, and only long after did the elementary particles coem into being when the universe was cool enough to sustain them. So yah I don't think any civilizations existed in Gen 1:1 to Gen 1:2 interval. But what I DO think is that a lot of stuff might have happened in the rest of Gen 1, and that Gen 1 might have lasted for millenia.


I believe in something simlar.


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