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who here knows about energy manipulation, or magic as some call it? been doing it for about 4 years minim, i lose track of time lol. and I'm still christian, being a energy manipulator doesn't make me the devil.
-I'm do a duel purpose post.
1. find out who here does/doesn't but is wanting info
2. chat with both, people who do know, i have questions for, see their point of view/ people who don't, well, ask away i say

We are all energy manipulators. Physical work requires energy. And magic is illusion.

ruveyn

So then, everyone here is an energetic manipulator?!


Only in the circus.

Also on stage. Elephants can't really disappear and one cannot saw the lady in two without killing here and making a mess.

ruveyn

Not a fan of the energy model. If it can't turn on a light bulb then it isn't energy (metaphore). Wilhelm Reich makes a decent case for it but... no.

Calling Fnord... Calling Fnord...

A. magic is yet another very ill defined term whis is loaded with triggers

B. Not everything that exists is already detectible, ruveyn, unless you assume - as some in their obstinate pride do, that the discovery of a new technology or theory creates cells, atoms, planets, and beasties.

C. To what sort of energy do you refer, friend feaghal, and by what means do you access it?

theres a energy fiield around all living things. i happen to be able to manipulate it. it Isnt a major skill, but i can do some basic skills that revolve around protecting people and being a medic. its complecated if you dont already know about it

Thus?

[http://www.springforestqigong.com/about_chunyi_lin.htm]

[http://www.religionnewsblog.com/10786/healing-through-touch-and-faith]

im wondering personal opions/expirences

Whatever calms your OCD.

(I jest...mostly)

Not sure of your range of experience or location.

At present, I am primarily doing the computer handshaking thing, trying to establish common ground and basic premises / definitions.

Little point my outlining experience A if you are looking at something entirely different.

Feel free to take this private if you do not feel like exposing yourself [a feeling I well understand].

like i said, privet mssg me if u feel the want lol

For once we can agree on something!

Are you sure about that? I could swear the bible has a couple of sections about not practicing magic.



I'd say not, but it still seems not compatible with being a Christian.


No new technology can create cells , atoms, planets or beasties.

Anyway, I see your point. It could happen that we find evidence to something that we call super natural in the future.

But that does not mean we should take it any seriously now. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Without such proof: magic, god, Dragons, elves, fairies, space flesh eating unicorn zombies, honest politicians all have the same value of truth. Ocam's razor exists for a reason, if we would to arbitrarily pick a theory that is not the simplest explanation to our current evidence, then we would be doing arbitrary stuff.

i am, there isnt a power in the world that can make stop being a christian.

Sure there is. And it exists within you already.